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'17 Specials & '18 Midterms Thread

ImTheCaptain said:
in charge of selecting and running a candidate against Moore
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In this hypothetical I am professionally qualified to do this, so yes I believe I would have chosen a candidate and run a campaign equally as successful, if not more.
 
Just to be clear for those surprised by MDMH's recent turn to "bull-in-china-shop" posting style, remember that he was formerly FeartheDeaconChin. Who posted exactly like this, just about different stuff. If the original "best posters" contest is archived anywhere, I think it would spark some recall.

OGB? Got any memories for us?
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
He already has, ill post a link later. Thank you for actually responding to me.
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I don't agree that he already has, but will read your link. An initial statement of his was interpreted as going back on Medicaid promises, but he pretty quickly clarified that that wasn't the case.

Here's Eliot Fishman on the comments:

I am taken aback by the criticism of VA Governor-Elect Northam's comments in @washingtonpost by reporters & analysts I respect. He didn't endorse work requirements for Medicaid--he endorsed job training, an established Obama admin position. Reading the substance & moment wrong.
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You might be right, it's possible he was FOS and actually doesn't want to expand Medicaid or wants to add work requirements, but we should probably let him clarify, especially since he essentially ran on Medicaid expansion.
 
So far we have winners from Vermont, Massachusetts and Hawaii which are surprise surprise the 1, 2, and 3 most liberal states. Funny how nominating the candidate that fits the population works out.
 
wakephan09 said:
Just to be clear for those surprised by MDMH's recent turn to "bull-in-china-shop" posting style, remember that he was formerly FeartheDeaconChin. Who posted exactly like this, just about different stuff. If the original "best posters" contest is archived anywhere, I think it would spark some recall.

OGB? Got any memories for us?
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I've always posted like this about politics, you all just dont give a fuck when i'm bitching at BKF and JHMD. Its when I critisize the Dem party that the claws come out. I won't apologize for interrupting your Trump-out circle jerk every now and then.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
So far we have winners from Vermont, Massachusetts and Hawaii which are surprise surprise the 1, 2, and 3 most liberal states. Funny how nominating the candidate that fits the population works out.
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Whoa whoa whoa. Are you say Democrats should just pick the best candidates who fit their population and then send them to Washington and let them figure out how to govern together? If so, it sounds like you're saying the United States is a large country full of people living very different lives in different situations who have different concerns beyond simply liberal vs. conservative.
 
Like I said related to this discussion in the context of the Jones' election - there are two issues at play here: 1) the national platform and strategy for the DNC and 2) the local and statewide strategies for getting candidates elected.

Jones winning is a great example of where applying a "pick more progressive candidates" approach at the state/local level may have screwed the Democrats. Nearly every analysis I read of the race consistently identified two separate areas where Jones succeeded - the GOTV campaign across the state to shore up the Democratic base and get them to the polls and moderates breaking heavily for Jones. With such a tight margin in the race, I don't think it's irresponsible speculation to note that with a more progressive candidate that either (and/or both) of these two areas might not have been as successful. Perhaps centrist democrats and moderates simply don't go vote if the options are an Elizabeth Warren type candidate.

I think MDMH makes some good points that are discounted relatively quickly by other Democrats on here, but like I said last week I think he's dead wrong on "pick more progressive candidates for every race." Perhaps he's right that it wouldn't have made a difference and that we don't know until we try it, but I firmly believe that the Democrats and Jones ran a fantastic campaign in Alabama and that Jones was a great pick to run.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
Lol we just can’t handle the TRUTH
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It's almost as if politics have become hyper partisan and tribal, so that people become very defensive about party criticism. I do my best to provide you all a relatable perspective of someone who is reasonably unsatisfied with the Democratic status quo, but your response never amounts to more than "you just want socialism" and "we have to be centrist to get white voters". I'm perfectly willing to debate in good faith with people who can acknowledge the shortcomings of centrism, and don't believe them to be impossible to overcome.
 
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myDeaconmyhand said:
It's almost as if politics have become hyper partisan and tribal, so that people become very defensive about party criticism. I do my best to provide you all a relatable perspective of someone who is reasonably unsatisfied with the Democratic status quo, but your response never amounts to more than "you just want socialism" and "we have to be centrist to get white voters". I'm perfectly willing to debate in good faith with people who can acknowledge the shortcomings of centrism, and don't believe them to be impossible to overcome.
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so why do you continue to nominally support the Democratic party
 
If a progressive had run in Alabama then he/she would have lost, no questions asked.

Jones ran a fantastic race and while he is not the ELITE of the progressives by any stretch, he is a much better candidate and person than Roy Moore.

As a progressive/liberal I would certainly like to see states that are more middle of the road run candidates who tend to be left of the center of the current Democratic Party, but that's not realistic, nor feasible in states like Alabama.

In South Carolina right now there is a special House election that I'm helping out withe, where there is a Democratic candidate who is not exactly my ideal version of a candidate, but she's running against Nancy Mace, a former Trump surrogate and social media organizer for his campaign. That's a no-brainer that I'm going to help out the Democrat as far as canvassing, even though she's not exactly who I would pick.
 
PhDeac said:
Whoa whoa whoa. Are you say Democrats should just pick the best candidates who fit their population and then send them to Washington and let them figure out how to govern together? If so, it sounds like you're saying the United States is a large country full of people living very different lives in different situations who have different concerns beyond simply liberal vs. conservative.
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That couldn't possibly be. One size fits all. And we'll tell you what that size is.

I think part of the extreme vitriol both nationally and locally is a reaction to the monstrosity that is Trump. Populist Pubs love him, and that rightly terrifies the rest of us. Locally, I've seen a significant growth in what I used to consider to be more fringe groups over the last couple of years. A few years ago, it used to be the same 10-20 people who would protest things and show up at council meetings to sream at and cuss out council. Now that group is well into triple digits, takes positions that are really out there and regularly takes over city meetings so that no business gets done.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
If a progressive had run in Alabama then he/she would have lost, no questions asked.

Jones ran a fantastic race and while he is not the ELITE of the progressives by any stretch, he is a much better candidate and person than Roy Moore.

As a progressive/liberal I would certainly like to see states that are more middle of the road run candidates who tend to be left of the center of the current Democratic Party, but that's not realistic, nor feasible in states like Alabama.

In South Carolina right now there is a special House election that I'm helping out withe, where there is a Democratic candidate who is not exactly my ideal version of a candidate, but she's running against Nancy Mace, a former Trump surrogate and social media organizer for his campaign. That's a no-brainer that I'm going to help out the Democrat as far as canvassing, even though she's not exactly who I would pick.
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I'm an old. So I'm quite used to picking the lesser of 2 evils - I've spent 30 years doing just that.
 
I doubt black voters would have turned out en masse for a "true progressive" in Alabama. You run someone who can win and will listen to constituents.

27, keep us posted on Boatwright vs. Mace. Looks like an interesting race.
 
To be fair to MDMH, the one very prominent example that supports the case he is making is that Bernie, a very progressive candidate, would have beaten Trump in 2016, Russian interference be damned. However, almost any Democrat, other than Hillary, probably would have won that race.
 
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