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2013 GRAND SLAM CONTEST - cville wins PGA; NFDeac wins Grand Slam!

deacz said:
Jack had more star players to face in his era. Tiger has had much deeper fields. It's hard to judge whose era proved tougher. Let's just say they both are/were great.
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Here's the 2003 top 20:
1. Tiger Woods
2. Vijay Singh
3. Ernie Els
4. Davis Love III
5. Jim Furyk
6. Mike Weir
7. Retief Goosen
8. Padraig Harrington
9. David Toms
10. Kenny Perry
11. Darren Clarke
12. Nick Price
13. Chad Campbell
14. Stuart Appleby
15. Phil Mickelson
16. Robert Allenby
17. Fredrik Jacobson
18. Charles Howell III
19. Thomas Bjorn
20. Justin Leonard
21. KJ Choi
22. Brad Faxon
23. Paul Casey
24. Scott Verplank
25. Adam Scott
26. Chris DiMarco
27. Chris Riley
28. Peter Lonard
29. Jay Haas
30. Bob Tway

Here's today's top 30:
1 Tiger Woods, USA
2 Phil Mickelson, USA
3 Rory McIlroy, Nir
4 Justin Rose, Eng
5 Adam Scott, Aus
6 Matt Kuchar, USA
7 Brandt Snedeker, USA
8 Graeme McDowell, Nir
9 Luke Donald, Eng
10 Keegan Bradley, USA
11 Henrik Stenson, Swe
12 Lee Westwood, Eng
13 Steve Stricker, USA
14 Charl Schwartzel, Zaf
15 Ernie Els, Zaf
16 Louis Oosthuizen, Zaf
17 Ian Poulter, Eng
18 Sergio Garcia, Esp
19 Bubba Watson, USA
20 Jason Day, Aus
21 Jason Dufner, USA
22 Webb Simpson, USA
23 Dustin Johnson, USA
24 Bill Haas, USA
25 Hunter Mahan, USA
26 Zach Johnson, USA
27 Jim Furyk, USA
28 Matteo Manassero, Ita
29 Branden Grace, Zaf
30 Peter Hanson, Swe

I'd posit there are different Tiger Eras. Outside of a handful of golfers, his first dozen years or so the fields were not nearly as talented or deep as they are now. There's a ridiculous number of great golfers today. And that top 30 doesn't even include Watney, Kaymer, Fowler, Cabrera, van Pelt or Colsaerts. Earlier in his career, Tiger could often win by overpowering courses and fields. Now there a ton of young guns out there who hit it further and straighter than Tiger, and courses have been lengthened to 73-7600 yards. He really has to have his A game to win these days.
 
Shorty said:
I don't know that I'd agree with that. Just going down the list of Nicklaus contemporaries with at least three majors you get:

Gary Player 9
Tom Watson 8
Arnold Palmer 7
Lee Trevino 6
Raymond Floyd 4
Billy Casper 3
Julius Boros 3
Larry Nelson 3
Hale Irwin 3

I don't think there are as many players today who match the Sunday-at-a-major toughness of those guys. I think that's one reason why Tiger has won all of his majors after holding the 54 hole lead. There are no Gary Players or Tom Watsons to run him down.

But I agree that both Jack's and Tiger's record are in another stratosphere compared with everyone else.
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When Nicklaus won his 14th major, Watson, Floyd and Irwin had only 1 major each and Nelson didn't win his 1st major until 6 years later. As with Tiger, the 1st 14 were easier. :D
 
UPDATE:

Mark Brooks has withdrawn --- J.J. Henry is now in the field.
 
Sleepy said:
UPDATE:

Mark Brooks has withdrawn --- J.J. Henry is now in the field.
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JJ Henry has an infinitely better chance to make the cut than Brooks circa 2013. The Vegas O/U on Brooks' score after Friday was prolly +17. And Henry is having a pretty nice year. Good that he got in.
 
bobknightfan said:
I ran across some interesting stats regarding Jack Nicklaus' and Tiger Woods' records in the four major golf tournaments. Tiger is in his 17th year now as a professional golfer. In the majors he has 14 wins, 6 2nd places & 4 3rd places.....24 top three finishes in the four major events. That's an amazing record.

In Jack Nicklaus' first 20 years as a professional golfer (1962 thru 1981), he had 17 wins, 16 2nd places & 9 3rd places in the majors......42 top three finishes in the four major events over his first 20 years. To put it another way, Nicklaus finished in the top three in more than half of the 80 majors that were played over a 20-year period.
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You kinda went back and forth between making a comparison and just noting how amazing Nicklaus was...but for curiosity's sake, I wanted to see Jack's stats up to the same point in his career that Tiger's at right now.


First 16.75 years of Career:

Jack
15 Wins
14 Runner Up
9 Third
7 finishes of >20th
3 CUTS
0 DNP

Wins in Majors = 15/67 = 22.4%
Top 3's in Majors = 38/67 = 56.7%
Top 20's in Majors = 57/67 = 85.1%
Cuts Made = 64/67 = 95.5%


Tiger
14 Wins
6 Runner Up
4 Third
13 finishes of >20
3 CUTS
4 DNP

Wins in Majors = 14/63 = 22.2%
Top 3's in Majors = 24/63 = 38.1%
Top 20's in Majors = 47/63 = 74.6%
Cuts Made = 60/63 = 95.2%


So, Jack clearly had better non-win statistics through his first 16.75 years of Majors...BUT...Tiger was injured/on a break for 4 of the Majors during his first 16.75 years, so let's compare their first 63 Majors Played:

First 63 Majors Played:

Jack
14 Wins
14 Runner Up
8 Third
7 finishes of >20th
3 CUTS
0 DNP

Wins in Majors = 14/63 = 22.2%
Top 3's in Majors = 36/63 = 57.1%
Top 20's in Majors = 53/63 = 84.1%
Cuts Made = 60/63 = 95.2%


Tiger
14 Wins
6 Runner Up
4 Third
13 finishes of >20
3 CUTS
4 DNP

Wins in Majors = 14/63 = 22.2%
Top 3's in Majors = 24/63 = 38.1%
Top 20's in Majors = 47/63 = 74.6%
Cuts Made = 60/63 = 95.2%

So they both won the same number of Majors, but Jack clearly outpaced Tiger up to this point in their careers with respect to being in contention on Sunday.
 
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THEN, I started thinking that after Tiger's injuries/off-the-course problems, he hasn't really been the same. So I looked and his last Major win was in his 46th Major....so let's compare Jack/Tiger during their first 46 Majors:

First 46 Majors

Jack
11 Wins
10 Runner Up
5 Third
7 finishes of >20
3 CUT
0 DNP

Wins in Majors = 11/46 = 23.9%
Top 3's in Majors = 26/46 = 56.5%
Top 20's in Majors = 36/46 = 78.3%
Cuts Made = 43/46 = 93.5%


Tiger
14 Wins
5 Runner Up
3 Third
8 finishes of >20
1 CUT
0 DNP

Wins in Majors = 14/46 = 30.4%
Top 3's in Majors = 22/46 = 47.8%
Top 20's in Majors = 37/46 = 80.4%
Cuts Made = 45/46 = 97.8%

Tiger was outpacing Jack up through their first 46 Majors....then Tiger blew out his knee (though still managed to win at the 2008 US Open) and missed the last 2 Majors of 2008.

Since the knee injury his stats are good, but not quite the same:

Wins in Majors = 0/17 = 0%
Top 3's in Majors = 2/17 = 11.8%
Top 20's in Majors = 10/17 = 58.8%
Cuts Made = 15/17 = 88.2%

That also includes 2 more DNP's due to knee problems as well as supposed confidence/game problems stemming from his marriage/family issues.

Though of those 10 top 20's, 9 were Top 6 performances, so he's still in the hunt.

Kinda makes you wonder what Tiger's career would have been like without those knee problems and his stupid off-the-course stuff.
 
bobknightfan said:
Tiger...and Tiger alone...made his choices. Coulda beens, shoulda beens and woulda beens don't count. You have to go the distance to win the race. Tiger Woods is a great golfer, but as of today Jack Nicklaus is the greatest golfer who ever played the game.
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Obviously the off the course shit was his choice, but my primary point was about the knee injuries.
 
Wow! Didn't read any of those extremely long posts.
 
team cville

Scott 20
Stenson 30
Mahan 35
Dufner 45
Moore 130
Jiminez 150
 
Here is my team. Scoring spreadsheet to be posted in the initial post soon.

Tiger Woods
PHil Mickelson
Brandt Snedeker
Jason Day
Tim Clark
Michael Thompson
 
Here is the pick distribution - total of 45 teams entered. Lots of people pulling for Jordan Spieth!

Golfer Count
Tiger Woods 35
Phil Mickelson 20
Jordan Spieth 15
Adam Scott 11
Keegan Bradley 11
Brandt Snedeker 10
Jason Day 10
Zach Johnson 9
Henrik Stenson 8
Jason Dufner 8
Angel Cabrera 7
Hideki Matsuyama 7
Miguel Jimenez 7
Bill Haas 6
Nick Watney 6
Billy Horschel 5
Hunter Mahan 5
Justin Rose 5
Ryan Moore 5
Matt Kuchar 4
Webb Simpson 4
 
TEAM MEBANE

Tiger Woods
Phil Mickelson
Brandt Snedeker
Zach Johnson
Russell Henley
Scott Stallings
 
Woods, Tiger ** United States 0
Mickelson, Phil ** United States 15
Bradley, Keegan ** United States 40
Cabrera, Angel ** Argentina 100
Matsuyama, Hideki ** Japan 110
Spieth, Jordan ** United States 150

popularrrrrrr
 
DeaconSlim2.0 said:
Obviously the off the course shit was his choice, but my primary point was about the knee injuries.
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The steroids that made his body vulnerable to the knee issues were his choice too. :tinfoilhat:

The Top 3 record for Nicklaus in majors is just astounding. I don't think you can fully grasp that until you put it in comparison to the same stats for the best player of our generation (and possibly ever). To be in contention that much is just ridiculous.

Also, fuck, I KNEW I should have picked Robert Garrigus, Luke Guthrie and Hiroyuki Fujita. Those guys are going to run away with this tournament.
 
Matt's Team:

Tiger
Rose
Westwood
Sneds
Branden Grace
Martin Laird

Fewer than four people picked Westwood? Wow.
 
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