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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

I'm so confused. Is the Democratic party supposed to denigrate or court swing voters??? Shoo, please advice.
 
Ph, presumably there is a solution in the article or book. Kendi is a smart dude.
 
I read the article. Kendi’s solution is to actively court the other swing voters by running candidates that will appeal to young black and Latinos.

I’m curious what MHB’s solution is.
 
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So transparent.... my solution is to call people stupid assholes if they don’t vote.
 
This will be the most important election young people, LGBTQ and people of color will face in the next fifty years. If Trump is re-elected, civil and human rights will be devastated by a 6-3 or 7-2 Supreme Court and a 50-70% Trumpian federal court system. This isn't even including how the environment will be destroyed and climate change will go unchecked.

Regardless of who is the nominee, your future is absolutely at stake in a manner I have never seen in my lifetime and will horrifically impact your entire adult life. You must cast your vote for whomever the Dems put up and bring as many people as you can fit your car to the polls to do the same thing. You may not get whom you want, but there is no other choice.

Anything less and the results will harm the rest of your lives.
 
Strickland33 said:
I'm so confused. Is the Democratic party supposed to denigrate or court swing voters??? Shoo, please advice.
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Hmmm, do you not think they are be courted by candidates that should appeal to them? At this point, if you are a swing voter or just an apathetic voter, and you stay home rather than get Trump out no matter who the dem candidate is, you're an asshole. Sorry.
 
Ph, my guess is that MHB agrees with Kendi's solution. In the future, candidates that look and sound like The Squad > candidates that look at sound like Mayor Pete. You can disagree with that as being your preferred solution, but the solution seems pretty clear.

Shoo, I agree with you. The DNC seems obsessed with like (maybe?) thousands of so-called undecided voters who are probably going to cast courageous Junebug third party protest votes or hold their noses and vote for Trump instead. I'm all in favor of telling these pasty white middle class Yankee/Rust Belt middle aged attention whores and their preferences to "fuck off" in favor of building a base of young, female, and/or POC voters to turnout in 2020. I wish Tom Perez would commit to a similar vision, but we'll have to wait and see what the strategy is post-primary season.
 
OK. That's the future. I'm talking about this election.
 
What is the Ph solution? These folks aren't really going for Pete, so what does a) Pete do or b) the other candidates do? I'm of the mindset that Warren/Castro would target a lot of those groups. Sanders, probably, too. Biden will have older folks falling in line, but would require a ton of DNC input/effort to GOTV to younger voters.
 
Strickland33 said:
What is the Ph solution? These folks aren't really going for Pete, so what does a) Pete do or b) the other candidates do? I'm of the mindset that Warren/Castro would target a lot of those groups. Sanders, probably, too. Biden will have older folks falling in line, but would require a ton of DNC input/effort to GOTV to younger voters.
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You seem to be basing things strictly on current polling. If that's your frame of reference, the only solution is to go all in for Biden.

I think we're still in the primary process. All candidates have time to make a case to voters. Thankfully, I don't think non-voters have been paying much attention so far. My solution would be not to condemn any Dem primary candidates with hyperbolic language that may discourage non-voters from voting Dem in the general.
 
So, your solution is to shut down political discourse until when exactly? You don't think limiting discourse has a similar effect on folks? I know for a fact that it turns young people off to be told to "shut up and fall in line."
 
Strickland33 said:
So, your solution is to shut down political discourse until when exactly? You don't think limiting discourse has a similar effect on folks? I know for a fact that it turns young people off to be told to "shut up and fall in line."
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That's not what I said and you know it. Do better, man.
 
That's the upshot of what you said. Basically, limiting discourse makes older and moderate Democrats feel more comfortable with the state of things while limiting voter turnout among younger voters. Condemnation of candidates that the voters that Kendi identifies isn't going to prevent those voters from supporting progressive candidates. It will piss off Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and possibly Biden voters, but it's not going to deter Sanders or Warren voters.
 
I don't know why you have to equate political discourse with hyperbolic language. You don't have to talk in extremes to have political discourse. Democrats aren't going to build a roster without having a team. The primary should be able a team picking the captain not picking a team and kicking everyone else out.
 
Strickland33 said:
So, your solution is to shut down political discourse until when exactly? You don't think limiting discourse has a similar effect on folks? I know for a fact that it turns young people off to be told to "shut up and fall in line."
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When ever somebody says "hey maybe we should tone down the negativity and hyperbole within the democratic party" you come back with "stop trying to shut down political discourse". That is just false. Try having political discourse without name calling and negativity.
 
Strickland33 said:
That's the upshot of what you said. Basically, limiting discourse makes older and moderate Democrats feel more comfortable with the state of things while limiting voter turnout among younger voters. Condemnation of candidates that the voters that Kendi identifies isn't going to prevent those voters from supporting progressive candidates. It will piss off Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and possibly Biden voters, but it's not going to deter Sanders or Warren voters.
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You aren't listening to the theory being put forward by me and, I think, PH. Here it is: Negativity among candidates and their supporters during the primary, dampens enthusiasm and decreases turnout during the general. It's a valid worry and it fits both the centrists and the progressives within the party. Here is what I worry about, shitting on Bernie as a dangerous and crazed old socialist will lead a substantial number of old white centrists to vote third party in November if (when) Bernie is the nominee, just like shitting on Biden as a corporate stooge and closeted racist will likely depress youth voter turnout in November if he ends up as the nominee. The Dems need all the enthusiasm they can get because 90% of our votes are packed into a handful of districts in most states. That enthusiasm has to spill over out of the cities and into the suburbs and country side in-order to unseat the actually racist kleptocrat currently in the White House. Enthusiasm among Black and the less that 30 crowds is essential to any Democrat winning, and yes, nominating the candidate that will maximized black and youth turnout is the best approach but a back up plan should involve minimizing negativity towards the other candidates so that the people we need to be enthusiastic later don't feel meh about our candidate when November comes.
 
birdman said:
You aren't listening to the theory being put forward by me and, I think, PH. Here it is: Negativity among candidates and their supporters during the primary, dampens enthusiasm and decreases turnout during the general. It's a valid worry and it fits both the centrists and the progressives within the party. Here is what I worry about, shitting on Bernie as a dangerous and crazed old socialist will lead a substantial number of old white centrists to vote third party in November if (when) Bernie is the nominee, just like shitting on Biden as a corporate stooge and closeted racist will likely depress youth voter turnout in November if he ends up as the nominee. The Dems need all the enthusiasm they can get because 90% of our votes are packed into a handful of districts in most states. That enthusiasm has to spill over out of the cities and into the suburbs and country side in-order to unseat the actually racist kleptocrat currently in the White House. Enthusiasm among Black and the less that 30 crowds is essential to any Democrat winning, and yes, nominating the candidate that will maximized black and youth turnout is the best approach but a back up plan should involve minimizing negativity towards the other candidates so that the people we need to be enthusiastic later don't feel meh about our candidate when November comes.
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Exactly.
 
birdman, there is some negative discourse that could use policing elsewhere on the tunnels.

in seriousness, though - how would you prefer people talk about democratic candidates' warmongering, support for proxy wars and coups, and comfort with the financial and pharmaceutical sectors (despite repeated claims that they are not going to be in the pocket of these industries and their lobbyists?

and Buttgieg isn't going to win, so we're just talking about Biden. Who is taking shots at and saying bad things about Biden on here? I think everybody outside of a handful agrees that his campaign is and his candidacy would be a disaster, but we're going to vote for him if he's nominated.
 
PhDeac said:
The US has always been multiple parties that mostly coalesce into two groups. I would say the parties are divided more by race/class/religion than ideology except for the multiracial far left.
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Yes. The reason we have only two parties is because that’s the natural outcome of single member districts with first past the post voting. In order to provide a better opportunity for multiple parties beyond a traditional two party system we need to change the election methods.
 
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