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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

Strickland33 said:
These idiots (Angus, registered Republicans and conservative-leaning independents) want somebody else to get rid of their Trump problem for them. But they won’t vote for a Democrat.
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Or demand Republicans have primary elections.

tiltdeac said:
I feel like you consider yourself a pretty reasonable, rational, pragmatic guy. Given the makeup of Congress, do you really think things are meaningfully different in 2022 with Bernie in the White House compared to Warren? Hell I think you are going to have to squint to notice differences between a Bernie and a Buttigieg presidency. I think this Matt Yglesias piece is pretty realistic.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/7/21002895/bernie-sanders-2020-electability
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That’s a very good read. This part differs from the rest but stands out.

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His extremely online loyalists (themselves only a minority of his supporters, as with any candidate) tend to be both highly ideological and highly antagonistic. Some, including younger supporters, seem to lack a broader perspective on events. They are unrealistically optimistic about what a Sanders administration could achieve, unreasonably down on Sanders’s rivals, and simply lack appreciation of how small the differences within the Democratic field are, especially compared with the gaping void between essentially all Democrats and all Republicans under modern polarized conditions.
 
PhDeac said:
Or demand Republicans have primary elections.



That’s a very good read. This part differs from the rest but stands out.

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His extremely online loyalists (themselves only a minority of his supporters, as with any candidate) tend to be both highly ideological and highly antagonistic. Some, including younger supporters, seem to lack a broader perspective on events. They are unrealistically optimistic about what a Sanders administration could achieve, unreasonably down on Sanders’s rivals, and simply lack appreciation of how small the differences within the Democratic field are, especially compared with the gaping void between essentially all Democrats and all Republicans under modern polarized conditions.
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so you are saying that mhb is an asshole? No wai!
 
Steyer has qualified for the next debate by being third in NV (12%) and second in SC (15%).

That's remarkable. Almost as remarkable as his RW position about term limits using the inane concept that big money hates this idea when it's their multi-orgasmic dream. No one benefits more from term limits than big donors and special interests.
 
Steyer has been showing ads in SC for nearly a year. Our Fox, CBS and NBC affiliates are out of Greenville and it seems like every break we get one of his. Tulsi has done a lot too and I got my first Mayor Pete one the other day. Haven’t seen anyone else.
 
RJKarl said:
Steyer has qualified for the next debate by being third in NV (12%) and second in SC (15%).

That's remarkable. Almost as remarkable as his RW position about term limits using the inane concept that big money hates this idea when it's their multi-orgasmic dream. No one benefits more from term limits than big donors and special interests.
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Bernie and Warren need to go HARD after Steyer in this debate for buying his way in.
 
They should also call him on term limits. Term limits would put all the corruption in DC on intravenous steroid pumps. Every senator will be looking for their next gig from the day they start their second term as will every member of the House as they enter their last two year term. Add to this, big donors and corporate interests will be the ones who can raise campaign funds the biggest and quickest making them even insidious and dangerous.
 
The purity tests make it harder for unestablished candidates to raise money but it makes it easy for unestablished billionaires to slide right in.

Also they’re going to need Steyer and Bloomberg’s indirect help in the general.
 
PhDeac said:
The purity tests make it harder for unestablished candidates to raise money but it makes it easy for unestablished billionaires to slide right in.

Also they’re going to need Steyer and Bloomberg’s indirect help in the general.
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Hasn't your position all along been the system is broken, needs reforming, but until it is, we can't have purity tests for donors?

And no, Bernie would not need Steyer or Bloomberg's help in the general, directly or otherwise. Unless you mean you'd need them to not run as a third party.
 
Before many of were born, there was some funding of elections through an IRS payment. Last year about 253 million tax returns individual and business - https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/12rswinbulreturnfilings.pdf) were filed. If there was $10 elections fee, it would create $2.53B/year to be used for federal elections.

Given that odd numbered years have few to none federal elections, there would be an extra $5B to be put into the pools for presidential years.

The internet makes governing participation numbers incredibly difficult to enforce, but something could be done.
 
Buttermaker said:
Which shows how far left the Democratic party is moving.
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In what way? For as much as the GOP wanted to paint Obama as a socialist, he sprinted to the center pretty fast after he got elected. Romneycare, Bush tax cuts, surveillance state extension of Patriot Act, drone wars, deportation, ramping up ICE.
 
TownieDeac said:
In what way? For as much as the GOP wanted to paint Obama as a socialist, he sprinted to the center pretty fast after he got elected. Romneycare, Bush tax cuts, surveillance state extension of Patriot Act, drone wars, deportation, ramping up ICE.
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He didn’t even start that far left.
 
Good point. He did rhetorically campaign on hope and change but he also talked a lot about unifying us and what brings us together.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
The wild thing about this bullshit argument is that Hillary and Obama were both the moderate candidates pubs now claim they’d support.
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I voted for Obama twice and think he was a great president. I would not vote for Bernie sorry. I am not down for the systematic destruction of our economy.
 
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