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ACC Redrawing Divisions (Reporter tweets about internal e-mails)

Also, I still think that yearly realignment due to previous year's record would be a neat idea.
 
Obviously this would never happen, but this would be my solution: Have a draw each year at the ACC Championship for divisions for the next season. The two teams in the 2014 title game would be put in separate divisions for the next year. Then, the 2nd place teams from each division would be paired together, the 3rd would be paired, on down. Each of the divisions would then receive a team that finished in each of the 7 division places the previous season.

From there, every team would still have 1 primary rival. The remaining non-division conference games would be determined by:
1. Making sure all rivalry games are filled if the rival teams are drawn into different divisions ( Miami / FSU, VT / UVA etc would play every year)
2. Computer filling games between teams based on length of time since last regular season match-up. Would prevent any team from going more than 2 or 3 years without seeing a school.

Plus you can put the draw on TV and it would be fun to see your football schedule for the next year picked live.
 
Wake has much more clout in the ACC than our fans think we do.
 
Was Wellman one of the top people involved with bringing some of the teams for expansion?
 
DeacKillsaDevil said:
Was Wellman one of the top people involved with bringing some of the teams for expansion?
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Isn't that like getting the nerd to do your homework? You're still not inviting him to any parties.
 
Having all these rotations would confuse the shit out of people. One year we're in a division with abc, next xyz, then axy.

I can just imagine sports writers and fans being confused. Although it's a good idea I just think it makes things too difficult. Think about how confusing the Leaders and Legends divisions were in the Big 10
 
bym051d said:
Explain with examples, please.
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Wake was left in as good of a position in football scheduling as any other Big 4 school. We did have to deal with the GT rivalry in basketball for several years, but the recent scheduling has us with protected basketball rivalries against 2 other Big 4 schools, just the same as every other Big 4 team.

Duke and State haven't had any protected rivalries in either Football or Basketball since expansion until now.

The idea that the ACC is going to put the other 3 big four schools in one division and leave Wake in the other. Has that happened in any other scheduling situation so far?
 
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Atlantic and Coastal is still confusing to many fans.
 
bym051d said:
Explain with examples, please.
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1. Wake was the lead in bringing Notre Dame into the conference. The final meeting to vote on adding Notre Dame was not held at ACC headquarters but at Wake.
2. Virtually none of the ACC expansions would have happened with our support. We were a key vote in each one.
3. When the ACC went to divisions, we were not shafted with a 3-1 split of Tobacco Road.
4. Duke was taken from Maryland as a home and home opponent in basketball and given to Wake Forest. This happened before Maryland decided to leave for the Big 10.
5. In picking who to take from the Big East, it was Wake's vision to target the private schools BC and Syracuse over the public options UConn and Rutgers.
6. When the ACC formed, Wake was safely in from the start. Virginia Tech, Virginia and West Virginia were not included in the original membership.
7. The first ACC commissioner was from Wake Forest and many Wake Forest men have occupied important posts in ACC headquarters.
8. Wake has often served as a go between for the other schools in the conference when there was a problem between them.
 
thewakedeacon said:
Having all these rotations would confuse the shit out of people. One year we're in a division with abc, next xyz, then axy.

I can just imagine sports writers and fans being confused. Although it's a good idea I just think it makes things too difficult. Think about how confusing the Leaders and Legends divisions were in the Big 10
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Yes, it will be confusing, but they'll complain about anything that's not a straight geographic split. The frequent rotation is necessary to deal with the problems of ACC scheduling. In the end, the conference will have to decide if it wants those problems fixed or not. The upside is you see traditional rivals and regional opponents much more often, and you get to see far more teams.
 
WakeForestRanger said:
1. Wake was the lead in bringing Notre Dame into the conference. The final meeting to vote on adding Notre Dame was not held at ACC headquarters but at Wake.
2. Virtually none of the ACC expansions would have happened with our support. We were a key vote in each one.
3. When the ACC went to divisions, we were not shafted with a 3-1 split of Tobacco Road.
4. Duke was taken from Maryland as a home and home opponent in basketball and given to Wake Forest. This happened before Maryland decided to leave for the Big 10.
5. In picking who to take from the Big East, it was Wake's vision to target the private schools BC and Syracuse over the public options UConn and Rutgers.
6. When the ACC formed, Wake was safely in from the start. Virginia Tech, Virginia and West Virginia were not included in the original membership.
7. The first ACC commissioner was from Wake Forest and many Wake Forest men have occupied important posts in ACC headquarters.
8. Wake has often served as a go between for the other schools in the conference when there was a problem between them.
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Switzerland, baby!!
 
WakeForestRanger said:
1. Wake was the lead in bringing Notre Dame into the conference. The final meeting to vote on adding Notre Dame was not held at ACC headquarters but at Wake.
2. Virtually none of the ACC expansions would have happened with our support. We were a key vote in each one.
3. When the ACC went to divisions, we were not shafted with a 3-1 split of Tobacco Road.
4. Duke was taken from Maryland as a home and home opponent in basketball and given to Wake Forest. This happened before Maryland decided to leave for the Big 10.
5. In picking who to take from the Big East, it was Wake's vision to target the private schools BC and Syracuse over the public options UConn and Rutgers.
6. When the ACC formed, Wake was safely in from the start. Virginia Tech, Virginia and West Virginia were not included in the original membership.
7. The first ACC commissioner was from Wake Forest and many Wake Forest men have occupied important posts in ACC headquarters.
8. Wake has often served as a go between for the other schools in the conference when there was a problem between them.
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And since the Demon Deacon officiated at the wedding ceremony of Mr. and Mrs. Wuf, he's probably served as their marriage counselor as well.
 
WakeForestRanger said:
Yes, it will be confusing, but they'll complain about anything that's not a straight geographic split. The frequent rotation is necessary to deal with the problems of ACC scheduling. In the end, the conference will have to decide if it wants those problems fixed or not. The upside is you see traditional rivals and regional opponents much more often, and you get to see far more teams.
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But doesn't the conference have scheduling setup for years in advance? Maybe not specific dates, but which teams play each other.

Would they be willing to adjust to having 9 months notice for which teams play each other the next season?
 
ChrisL68 said:
Wake was left in as good of a position in football scheduling as any other Big 4 school. We did have to deal with the GT rivalry in basketball for several years, but the recent scheduling has us with protected basketball rivalries against 2 other Big 4 schools, just the same as every other Big 4 team.

Duke and State haven't had any protected rivalries in either Football or Basketball since expansion until now.

The idea that the ACC is going to put the other 3 big four schools in one division and leave Wake in the other. Has that happened in any other scheduling situation so far?
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What exactly does this part of your quote mean? Duke had protected rivalries with UNC and Maryland (now Wake) in basketball, and NC State had protected rivalries with UNC and Wake Forest from the very beginning of expansion.
 
uncaboref said:
What exactly does this part of your quote mean? Duke had protected rivalries with UNC and Maryland (now Wake) in basketball, and NC State had protected rivalries with UNC and Wake Forest from the very beginning of expansion.
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With each other. Just like Wake and UNC haven't.
 
DeaconSlim2.0 said:
But doesn't the conference have scheduling setup for years in advance? Maybe not specific dates, but which teams play each other.

Would they be willing to adjust to having 9 months notice for which teams play each other the next season?
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I think we mean two different things in mind when I say frequently rotate the divisions. I'm talking about a system like I posted earlier with the pods/subdivisions/permanent partners/whatever you want to call them rotating annually to create new divisions each year. That system would still allow you know who you're going to play in any given year more than a decade or more out.

I'm not advocating drawing names out of hat or rotating them based on performance each year as a few others here have suggested.
 
The ACC will change whatever it wants whenever it wants. The ACC was supposed to move to 9 conference games and then changed its mind (btw, by next season, only the SEC and the ACC will not play nine conference games among the major conferences (Big 10, Pac 12 and Big 12 will all play 9 conference games in 2014). WF was supposed to play ND, and now, WF and ND are not meeting. This season, WF randomly played Miami on the road, but Miami will not make the return trip to W-S next year. There is nothing permanent about any aspect of the ACC schedule (in contrast to the ACC schedule which will remain a secret until at least February, the Big 10 and the SEC schedule for the next few years has been out for awhile).
 
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