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Bernie Would Have Won

Strickland33 said:
Ignoring the fact that you're willfully ignoring the activists in boomer, gen x, and millennial generations still doing awesome, paradigm-busting/shifting work in the name of justice in any number of sectors (marching, getting arrested, filing lawsuits, writing policy, putting their careers on the line, etc. and risking quite a bit in the process), what on Earth is the social construct of this country?
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"a social mechanism, phenomenon, or category created and developed by society; a perception of an individual, group, or idea that is 'constructed' through cultural or social practice"

We expanded the inclusion of races, gender, sexual orientation to places that were unthinkable before we came of age.
 
TownieDeac said:
Pretty sure I've done more in my 29 years than rj has in his life, at least to make the world better

It's so much easier today to raise $, awareness, change

Not denying millennials suck tho
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You know about everything and every part of everyone's life. I keep forgetting that.
 
It's great that this boards boomer defenders arguing against successful millennials are a guy that murdered his father in-law to get ahead and another that inherited his easy life.
 
ChrisL68 said:
TBD. How about you?
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Definitely not. Betsy DeVos, in particular, has made my long-term financial prospects pretty grim, to be honest with you. I'll be getting married, buying a house, and maybe even having children during a Trump administration and my financial prospects are pretty damn bleak.

There's more to change than stock market trends and profiteering. Sanders understood that at least, though I agree with you that he would have been a bad candidate to advance the financial sectors' interests.
 
RJKarl said:
"a social mechanism, phenomenon, or category created and developed by society; a perception of an individual, group, or idea that is 'constructed' through cultural or social practice"

We expanded the inclusion of races, gender, sexual orientation to places that were unthinkable before we came of age.
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I thought that you were saying that the country itself is a social construct. I can't fill in all the blanks, man. Proofread!

Boomers did great things and did less than great things. They continue to do great things and continue to do less than great things. The same argument can be made for Gen X and the Millennials. You have made a pretty good case for not writing off the good accomplishments of a generation in favor of stereotypical blanket statements, though.
 
Strickland33 said:
Definitely not. Betsy DeVos, in particular, has made my long-term financial prospects pretty grim, to be honest with you. I'll be getting married, buying a house, and maybe even having children during a Trump administration and my financial prospects are pretty damn bleak.

There's more to change than stock market trends and profiteering. Sanders understood that at least, though I agree with you that he would have been a bad candidate to advance the financial sectors' interests.
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It's not just the financial sector. All of those stocks represent underline companies many of them domestic. If they are doing poorly then they aren't going to be hiring people. It isn't companies with International operations that have been hurt by Us non-competitive corporate tax rates its domestic corporations that hire people and conduct their business in the United States.
 
PhDeac said:
Obama and Trump got people excited not their policies.
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The word policy always has to be used pretty loosely with Trump, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say his promises to improve the economic situations of those who have been suffering in rural America had a lot to do with his success and won him the areas that ultimately decided the election. His approach was always going to work better than someone like Mitt "47%" Romney.

Of course, he does not have solutions thatll work, presenting an opportunity to the Dems if they dare to care about them
 
ChrisL68 said:
It's not just the financial sector. All of those stocks represent underline companies many of them domestic. If they are doing poorly then they aren't going to be hiring people. It isn't companies with International operations that have been hurt by Us non-competitive corporate tax rates its domestic corporations that hire people and conduct their business in the United States.
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This is one way of looking at the issue, for sure.
 
We don't know how Bernie would've governed. ChrisL is assuming it would've been crazy radical, despite the fact Bernie has been in government for umpteen years and knows how it works.

All I know is showing that you care deeply about the issues that plague this country is a wonderful starting point
 
we have no idea how Bernie would have governed with a GOP house and Senate? lulz

i guess you mean like "how would he even get anything done!?!"
 
Strickland33 said:
I thought that you were saying that the country itself is a social construct. I can't fill in all the blanks, man. Proofread!

Boomers did great things and did less than great things. They continue to do great things and continue to do less than great things. The same argument can be made for Gen X and the Millennials. You have made a pretty good case for not writing off the good accomplishments of a generation in favor of stereotypical blanket statements, though.
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I'm talking about voting here. Millennials absolutely abdicated their responsibility. Even if they voted at 53%, the outcome of the most important election of their lifetime would have changed.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
we have no idea how Bernie would have governed with a GOP house and Senate? lulz

i guess you mean like "how would he even get anything done!?!"
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Even more reason he wouldn't have governed crazily radically.

But I would've been worried any adjustments to the system that did take place would've made 2020 problematic given that would've been 12 straight years of Dem rule, potentially casting doubt on the viability of a progressive administration moving forward. Trump should create additional leeway, one would hope
 
Strickland33 said:
I thought that you were saying that the country itself is a social construct. I can't fill in all the blanks, man. Proofread!

Here's what I said; "and changed the social construct of this country." . OF THE COUNTRY...we changed IDEAS of the social practices for the country. No proofreading was necessary. Understanding terms on your part is required. Well, my bad, you are never wrong.
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Boomers did great things and did less than great things. They continue to do great things and continue to do less than great things. The same argument can be made for Gen X and the Millennials. You have made a pretty good case for not writing off the good accomplishments of a generation in favor of stereotypical blanket statements, though.
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wsc8521s said:
We don't know how Bernie would've governed. ChrisL is assuming it would've been crazy radical, despite the fact Bernie has been in government for umpteen years and knows how it works.

All I know is showing that you care deeply about the issues that plague this country is a wonderful starting point
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Just taking his policy prescriptions at his word. He campaigned as a 21st century Eugene V Debs.
 
Yeah, what candidate has interpreted a win with a mandate to moderate their campaign message? Particularly more radical platforms? If anything, you'd expect a hard push.
 
Barry O?

But he was certainly operating more at the behest of corporate America than Bernie would've been
 
So...Dems counting on another charismatic centrist to bail them out? Gonna run that "America is already great" message again with the same establishment policy and even less congressional support? Sure thing. Good luck getting the vote out with your pragmatic corporate minded fiscal conservativism. Its selling so well lately.
 
It will be interesting to see how the far left economic candidates do in the 2018 congressional elections.
 
All this thread is doing in reinforcing some of the reasons why Trump won an election that should have been impossible for the Democrats to lose.

The bottom line is that the country had three bad options....Bernie, Hillary & Trump....and of the three choices Trump was actually the "least bad" of the three. Trump wasn't and isn't the answer to the nation's problems. His presidency is only a "holding action" whereby we can, temporarily at least, stop the socialism hemorrhaging which was Obama's dream and which Bernie would have attempted to put into overdrive...but Hillary would have also continued, only more slowly. Trump bought the nation a little time to come to its senses, that's all.
 
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