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Clinton Email Problem

Two things.

1) this has gotten away from the hillary thing.

2) people who are supposedly educated seem to believe the false equivalency that we either have this agreement or war.
 
jhmd2000 said:
The people voting 100 years from now will be the ones paying the $20T. Their opinion might not be quite as favorable as you think.
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LOLOLOLOL

What a horrible argument! Just no logic or nuance within it. I'm amazed. I'm truly amazed.


Ignore my earlier question. I don't care about your opinion anymore.
 
Joe Biden is most likely to be the Democratic nominee. It is well-known that Obama is feuding with the Clintons. This scandal and subsequent leaks will derail Hillary. Elizabeth Warren may be another contender, but she is far too liberal to win the general election. Biden has the experience of Clinton, the moderation that Warren lacks, and the support of Obama. He also has a lot of old-time connections that can serve as his fundraising base. I think that he is going to come in from behind and sweep the primaries.
 
deacvision7 said:
LOLOLOLOL

What a horrible argument! Just no logic or nuance within it. I'm amazed. I'm truly amazed.


Ignore my earlier question. I don't care about your opinion anymore.
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UNCG Deac said:
Joe Biden is most likely to be the Democratic nominee. It is well-known that Obama is feuding with the Clintons. This scandal and subsequent leaks will derail Hillary. Elizabeth Warren may be another contender, but she is far too liberal to win the general election. Biden has the experience of Clinton, the moderation that Warren lacks, and the support of Obama. He also has a lot of old-time connections that can serve as his fundraising base. I think that he is going to come in from behind and sweep the primaries.
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:flaminghottake:
 
ONW said:
If only we had an example of how to impeach a Democratic President by the Reps, or portray one as a Muslim, Anti-American, Socialist, Pussy, Anti-Semitic, Foreigner, Healthcare Destroyer. Never mind you were saying?
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Hmm I am at a loss. I guess if only there were examples of Dems portraying a pub president as a war criminal, racist, dumb, hating the poor, women and gays, bush's fault and a 911 conspirator. Until then we will truly never be able to relate to poor president Obama getting picked on.
 
Deacs89 said:
Hmm I am at a loss. I guess if only there were examples of Dems portraying a pub president as a war criminal, racist, dumb, hating the poor, women and gays, bush's fault and a 911 conspirator. Until then we will truly never be able to relate to poor president Obama getting picked on.
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So you believe the treatment of President Bush and the treatment of President Obama have been roughly similar?
 
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Deacs89 said:
Hmm I am at a loss. I guess if only there were examples of Dems portraying a pub president as a war criminal, racist, dumb, hating the poor, women and gays, bush's fault and a 911 conspirator. Until then we will truly never be able to relate to poor president Obama getting picked on.
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Well, he did sanction torture, sooooo....

Although I do believe that he was at fault for putting too much trust into Cheney rather than actually knowing what disgusting things we were doing to prisoners.


Cheney, however, yeah, that dude is a war criminal and should be shipped off to The Hague.
 
Deacs89 said:
Hmm I am at a loss. I guess if only there were examples of Dems portraying a pub president as a war criminal, racist, dumb, hating the poor, women and gays, bush's fault and a 911 conspirator. Until then we will truly never be able to relate to poor president Obama getting picked on.
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No one needs to portray him as dumb.
 
DeaconSig said:
So you believe the treatment of President Bush and the treatment of President Obama have been roughly similar?
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you're an idiot and personally could give a fuck about answering you.
 
Deacs89 said:
Hmm I am at a loss. I guess if only there were examples of Dems portraying a pub president as a war criminal, racist, dumb, hating the poor, women and gays, bush's fault and a 911 conspirator. Until then we will truly never be able to relate to poor president Obama getting picked on.
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Well to be fair plenty of people outside of America were calling Bush a war criminal too including Desmond Tutu.

Bush had a lot of criticism levied his way but I really don't think it's remotely close to the criticism hoisted towards Obama (and to the extent that they are in the same ballpark, I would argue that the proportionality of criticism to poor decisions is well in favor of Obama being heavily over-criticized). Bush got America into an unwinnable war predicated on information that his administration fudged and lied to the public about. Obama had half the GOP saying they would never work with him on anything from the second he came into office.
 
UNCG Deac said:
Joe Biden is most likely to be the Democratic nominee. It is well-known that Obama is feuding with the Clintons. This scandal and subsequent leaks will derail Hillary. Elizabeth Warren may be another contender, but she is far too liberal to win the general election. Biden has the experience of Clinton, the moderation that Warren lacks, and the support of Obama. He also has a lot of old-time connections that can serve as his fundraising base. I think that he is going to come in from behind and sweep the primaries.
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No chance in hades Biden gets nomination.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Well to be fair plenty of people outside of America were calling Bush a war criminal too including Desmond Tutu.

Bush had a lot of criticism levied his way but I really don't think it's remotely close to the criticism hoisted towards Obama (and to the extent that they are in the same ballpark, I would argue that the proportionality of criticism to poor decisions is well in favor of Obama being heavily over-criticized). Bush got America into an unwinnable war predicated on information that his administration fudged and lied to the public about. Obama had half the GOP saying they would never work with him on anything from the second he came into office.
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The worst things Bush did in his first two years in office according to Democrats was fail to prevent 9/11 and start wars based on it.

The worst thing Obama did in his first two years according to Republicans was pass ACA. I'd include the auto company bailouts, but they don't talk about it that much now.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Well to be fair plenty of people outside of America were calling Bush a war criminal too including Desmond Tutu.

Bush had a lot of criticism levied his way but I really don't think it's remotely close to the criticism hoisted towards Obama (and to the extent that they are in the same ballpark, I would argue that the proportionality of criticism to poor decisions is well in favor of Obama being heavily over-criticized). Bush got America into an unwinnable war predicated on information that his administration fudged and lied to the public about. Obama had half the GOP saying they would never work with him on anything from the second he came into office.
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yes let's be fair. Obama is loved around the world and only criticized by the racist right in America.
 
Well he's more largely criticized by the racist right of America than he is by the rest of our allies in the world by a long shot. GOP approval rating of Obama is in the same area as other nations' approval ratings of Obama like Russia, China, and Islamic nations in the Middle East. So I'm not sure what your point is.
 
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