Conference Expansion: Stanford, California and SMU Join the ACC

[Sco Deac]

My guy, I say this with the weight of experience, as a law grad and currently looking for a job in one of the biggest legal markets in the country, we are most definitely not first tier on the national stage.

The ACC has more T14 law schools (2) than the SEC (0) and the same number as the Big 10 (2). Does that get us more sports media revenue? Of course the current Pac 12 can boast 50% of its members have T14 law schools. Maybe that's the best conference. Or maybe, this is wholly irrelevant to this thread.

 

[WakeFanAdam]

Then you attended a second tier university. Because if the law school is second tier, so is the university.

I think it all has to do with the size of your on campus arena. Or lack thereof

 

[PhDeac]

So the ACC has better law grads than the SEC and they still get out maneuvered by those country bumpkin barristers.

 

[BarcaDeac]

You mean the VT that has a grand total of one double digit win season in its entire history when Frank Beamer wasn't the coach?

Sure but them mouth breathers love to pack their stadium and listen to Metallica

 

[thatguy2016]

Seems like there is an inverse relationship between the best law schools and the best football. Who woulda thunk it?

 

[WindyCityDeac]

Seems like there is an inverse relationship between the best law schools and the best football. Who woulda thunk it?

Not really. Wake is tier 2 in both

 

[wakegrrl]

ok. I went to Wake Forest. A Second Tier University.
I hope my parents still love me

Thank God my parents died while still believing my degree was from a top-tier university. Otherwise it woulda killed them.

 

[thatguy2016]

Not really. Wake is tier 2 in both

Was thinking more of

Law: Ivy>Pac 12>ACC>B1G>SEC

Football: SEC>B1G>ACC>Pac 12>Ivy

 

[WindyCityDeac]

Was thinking more of

Law: Ivy>Pac 12>ACC>B1G>SEC

Football: SEC>B1G>ACC>Pac 12>Ivy

ok. We're Tier 3 in both

 

[deacdixieboy]

Then you attended a second tier university. Because if the law school is second tier, so is the university.

I’m sick of this argument but this is flawed logic: 1) there are far fewer law schools than colleges in general. So being 20th out of 100 is not as good as being 20th out of 1000; and 2) law schools are being measured against each other for doing the same thing. Not all colleges do the same thing. Some are focused on undergrads. Some are focused on grads. Wake Forest undergrad is typically top 10. The USNWR heavily weighs grants, PhD’s granted, etc. It’s super impressive that we have maintained the top 30 against the other schools in that range given the criteria of evaluation.

 

[DemonDeke]

If the big 12 GOR is as locked up as we think the ACC GOR is
If what's left of the pac # doesn't increase revenue enough on their own to make expansion worth it
If what is left in non power 5 wasn't worth it before
and if our GOR is so iron clad.....

why expand now? Why do anything? other than to do something? And if things were worth doing before and we didn't, then why didn't we?

We may well not do anything. We're just talking. Exploring. Stanford and Cal want to talk. Of course.

 

[WindyCityDeac]

To everyone here. It's ok if Wake is 2nd tier, 3rd Tier or bottom Tier. None of it changes who you are as a human being.
If it matters so much that your self worth is this wrapped up in it, may i suggest betterhelp.com

 

[deacfan78]

"Third rate romance, low rent rendezvous"

 

[BeachBumDeac]

To everyone here. It's ok if Wake is 2nd tier, 3rd Tier or bottom Tier. None of it changes who you are as a human being.
If it matters so much that your self worth is this wrapped up in it, may i suggest betterhelp.com

visit betterhelp.com/windy and don't forget the promo code: FOOLSHOPE

 

[WindyCityDeac]

visit betterhelp.com/windy and don't forget the promo code: FOOLSHOPE

SUPERLIKE

 

[Pilchard]

SMU does not "deliver" the Dallas-Fort Worth Market (FWIW, its not even clear that Stanford and Cal would deliver the SF market; think/hope that is at least part of the vetting process). It's not as easy as just adding any school in a geographic region and then claim "We got that area covered". If it was, every conference would be handing out bids to Barnard College to "deliver" the NYC market, and Occidental College to "deliver" LA.

 

[PhDeac]

SMU does not "deliver" the Dallas-Fort Worth Market (FWIW, its not even clear that Stanford and Cal would deliver the SF market; think/hope that is at least part of the vetting process). It's not as easy as just adding any school in a geographic region and then claim "We got that area covered". If it was every conference would be handing out bids to Barnard College to "deliver" the NYC market, and Occidental College to "deliver" LA.

Rank the available schools by how interested you'd be in them and why. Do that and I get why SMU is on the list regardless of what they "deliver."

 

[TimmyClutch]

If we want to improve the ACC ranking in US News and World Reports law school rankings, I would suggest adding Georgetown and the University of Chicago as well.

Or ya know, we can talk football.

 

[deacdixieboy]

I 100% agree that talking about TV markets is antiquated. SMU giving up 5 years of $$$ moves the needle a bit, but I can’t help but think that more folks tune into Oregon State and Wazzu than SMU. Hell, I’d guess more people tune into Boise and maybe even Fresno too.

 

[Frosty]

The more I think about it, I don't think we should pursue ND as a full member if they become agreeable to it. ND law is 27th in the U.S. News rankings which is decidedly 2nd tier. Louisville was bad enough, but we don't need to drag our academic reputation through the mud anymore.