Covid-19 - Treatments & Vaccines

[ProfessorDeac]

Also might help explain why like every article about the COVID vaccines has a photo of someone getting the shot. Something subconsciously affecting about the image of a person's skin being pierced with a needle.

 

[WakeandBake]

Certainly explains the right wing gun-toters not getting it. You name it, they’re scared of it, hence the guns

 

[Colonel Angus]

Angus do you and your wife mask your kids out in public? It is a simple question

Nope - My son and step-daughters are all vaccinated so we don't mask up unless absolutely necessary (i.e. airline travel).

 

[ConnorEl]

Was talking to someone this weekend about the vaccine- they said that they had faith that it would just work out naturally. That the body is an amazing machine that will handle it as it was designed. And I'm thinking, 'soooooo.....what then, I guess we shouldn't have invented penicillin? Or the polio vaccine? Just let whatever happens happen because it's God's will and it'll all just sort itself out?'
And this is an otherwise intelligent, successful, well-educated person. Like it's the Twilight Zone or something. It's just staggering

Do these folks cook their foraged-only food? Or just eat everything raw, the way God gave it to us?

 

[Colonel Angus]

To everyone else, forgive me for asking Angus a serious questions, but I am really interested in understanding the anti-school mask perspective.

Is there harm in making children wear masks in school? Seems like applying the precautionary principle here, that while uncertainty remains lets do anything that might help, is the smart move. So, masks in schools may not do a lot, but they might help so we should use them unless some harm is demonstrated; a small probability of benefit out weights a zero probability of harm.

I have zero issue with parents making the decision to mask their children for school. If it helps you to sleep better at night, keep sending your kids to school masked up until they graduate.

My issue is with the mask mandate in schools. Parents should have the power to decide for their own children. Especially public school parents as their taxes fund the school district.

 

[WFUtoUSC]

I have zero issue with parents making the decision to mask their children for school. If it helps you to sleep better at night, keep sending your kids to school masked up until they graduate.

My issue is with the mask mandate in schools. Parents should have the power to decide for their own children. Especially public school parents as their taxes fund the school district.

Do you have a similar opinion regarding class curriculums? Since they're paying for it, should parents get to tell teachers what to teach? What about dress codes? If a parent doesn't like a dress code restriction, should they be able to opt their child out of it? What about safety rules for sports?

 

[Colonel Angus]

Hawaii has the lowest COVID death rate of all 50 states, and it's not even close. The absolute lowest, 50/50. This is despite having a higher average age than the US average and the native population of those in Hawaii having high rates of obesity and diabetes.

Point still stands?

Hawaii was specifically lauded in the study referenced in the CNN article posted by High Misinfo Deac for doing the right thing by "following the science". It wasn't an attempt to compare COVID rates in Hawaii to other states.

Yet hospitalizations are up over 800% despite high vax rates and strict mask mandates.

Or are we blaming this on all of unvaccinated tourists from across the globe who flooded the islands in late June???

 

[Rafi]

I have zero issue with parents making the decision to mask their children for school. If it helps you to sleep better at night, keep sending your kids to school masked up until they graduate.

My issue is with the mask mandate in schools. Parents should have the power to decide for their own children. Especially public school parents as their taxes fund the school district.

Thanks for engaging in the conversation. What are your thoughts on the following?

- In a pandemic, the choice one child/parent makes affects other children, teachers, and staff in the school
- A school imposes many rules on those in the school, such as dress code, behavior, etc., and wearing a mask is just another rule
- In a pandemic, the school should take steps to protect the health of the students, teachers, and staff

 

[IamThunderbolt]

I have zero issue with parents making the decision to mask their children for school. If it helps you to sleep better at night, keep sending your kids to school masked up until they graduate.

My issue is with the mask mandate in schools. Parents should have the power to decide for their own children. Especially public school parents as their taxes fund the school district.

But this is a public health determination.

Should adults make their own decision whether to smoke in school classrooms?

Also, to your last point (and I recognize this is a reducto ad absurdum - or not, phan/TK can correct), my taxes fund the police department, can I determine for which laws I am immune from enforcement?

 

[Rafi]

Hawaii was specifically lauded in the study referenced in the CNN article posted by High Misinfo Deac for doing the right thing by "following the science". It wasn't an attempt to compare COVID rates in Hawaii to other states.

Yet hospitalizations are up over 800% despite high vax rates and strict mask mandates.

That was my point. Hawaii has followed the science and has, by far, the lowest COVID death rates in the country.

 

[thatguy2016]

Hawaii was specifically lauded in the study referenced in the CNN article posted by High Misinfo Deac for doing the right thing by "following the science". It wasn't an attempt to compare COVID rates in Hawaii to other states.

Yet hospitalizations are up over 800% despite high vax rates and strict mask mandates.

Or are we blaming this on all of unvaccinated tourists from across the globe who flooded the islands in late June???

percentage increase is a fun metric to use to distort statistics, when used in isolation

Current Covid-19 Hospitalizations per 100,000 people:

1 FL 68
2 LA 54
3 MS 49
4 AL 47
5 AR 43
6 (tie) MO 37
6 (tie) NV 37
8 GA 36
9 TX 35
10 OK 31
11 KY 28
12 (tie) SC 23
12 (tie) TN 23
14 (tie) AZ 21
14 (tie) KS 21
16 IN 18
17 (tie) NC 17
17 (tie) WY 17
19 (tie) AK 16
19 (tie) CA 16
19 (tie) HI 16
19 (tie) OR 16
19 (tie) WV 16

interested in thoughts on HI's placement on this list relative to FL

 

[Louis Gossett Jr]

They had so much time to deliver an amazing kickass name and failed. I can see how this went, some whiteboard session writing impact words down, and were like yep, covid-19, mRNA, and immunity, we are putting that shit together and Comirnaty was born. Sounds like a shitty accent pronunciation of community.

 

[birdman]

I have zero issue with parents making the decision to mask their children for school. If it helps you to sleep better at night, keep sending your kids to school masked up until they graduate.

My issue is with the mask mandate in schools. Parents should have the power to decide for their own children. Especially public school parents as their taxes fund the school district.

OK, so it is just like a "I don't want the government telling me what to do" kind of argument? Do you carry that philosophy over to dress codes at school? Can schools dictate how long girls' skirts and shorts need to be? How many rips are allowed in a kid's jeans? I mean what if a group of parents decided, in hot places like Florida, shirt mandates were detrimental to thermal regulation and they wanted to opt out of their kids having to wear shirts? Why does the government get to mandate the types of clothes kids wear but we draw the line at face coverings?

Here are two school districts in Florida that simultaneously say that masking is about parental freedom but dress codes are required. There are dozens of others, but I am just linking two.

https://polkschoolsfl.com/dresscode/
https://polkschoolsfl.com/newsrelease/an-update-on-face-coverings-masks-for-2021-22/

https://www.okaloosaschools.com/bak...er/files/users/springlen/Dress Code 15-16.pdf
https://www.okaloosaschools.com/files/_site/district/covid19-2021-22SY/QA-for-Parents-08192021.pdf

What is the deal with that?

 

[WakeandBake]

I have zero issue with parents making the decision to mask their children for school. If it helps you to sleep better at night, keep sending your kids to school masked up until they graduate.

My issue is with the mask mandate in schools. Parents should have the power to decide for their own children. Especially public school parents as their taxes fund the school district.

They mandate dress codes

Everyone in the community funds public schools, including the faculty and staff of the schools, as well as the elderly and vulnerable members of the community interested in stopping a pandemic.

Your argument for parent choice is bullshit, you want a political fight over something that should not be political. This is what you people do, you bitch and whine and cry about everything the other team wants to do because that is how you people politics.

 

[birdman]

percentage increase is a fun metric to use to distort statistics, when used in isolation

Current Covid-19 Hospitalizations per 100,000 people:

1 FL 68
2 LA 54
3 MS 49
4 AL 47
5 AR 43
6 (tie) MO 37
6 (tie) NV 37
8 GA 36
9 TX 35
10 OK 31
11 KY 28
12 (tie) SC 23
12 (tie) TN 23
14 (tie) AZ 21
14 (tie) KS 21
16 IN 18
17 (tie) NC 17
17 (tie) WY 17
19 (tie) AK 16
19 (tie) CA 16
19 (tie) HI 16
19 (tie) OR 16
19 (tie) WV 16

interested in thoughts on HI's placement on this list relative to FL

FL's hospitalization rate per 100000 residents is 325% higher than Hawaii's.

 

[WakeandBake]

Nope - My son and step-daughters are all vaccinated so we don't mask up unless absolutely necessary (i.e. airline travel).

So you don't have kids too young for the vax, some of us do and would like to minimize the spread.

Also, you can still carry the virus and spread it when vaxxed you selfish prick.

 

[ConnorEl]

Thanks for engaging in the conversation. What are your thoughts on the following?

- In a pandemic, the choice one child/parent makes affects other children, teachers, and staff in the school
- A school imposes many rules on those in the school, such as dress code, behavior, etc., and wearing a mask is just another rule
- In a pandemic, the school should take steps to protect the health of the students, teachers, and staff

Clearly you are a flaming socialist whut wants to next take away are bibles 'n guns.

 

[Highland Deac]

Hawaii was specifically lauded in the study referenced in the CNN article posted by High Misinfo Deac for doing the right thing by "following the science". It wasn't an attempt to compare COVID rates in Hawaii to other states.

Yet hospitalizations are up over 800% despite high vax rates and strict mask mandates.

Or are we blaming this on all of unvaccinated tourists from across the globe who flooded the islands in late June???

The CNN article was specifically referring to the effectiveness of masking in schools, Angus. It sounds like you're referring to the entire population and hospitalizations, not schools.

 

[ConnorEl]

More important...if the hospitalization rate is significantly rising and the mandate (and presumably adherence to the mandate) didn't change...what did...? That's the relevant question.

 

[PhDeac]

Did you all see the story about the couple from Florida who got busted in Hawaii with fake vaccination cards? They had fake cards for their kids who are under 12.