RChildress107
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those people lost a shit ton of money on Wake Forest games the following year because severely and consistently overvalued WF
I doubt that.
those people lost a shit ton of money on Wake Forest games the following year because severely and consistently overvalued WF
I doubt that.
9-19 ATS in 2017-18 would indicate that the books seriously overvalued WF coming off of that dream season
but hey, the important thing is that Manning kept his losses closer than Buzz, so even though Buzz won more games against essentially the same ACC schedule, Manning clearly had a better season
and in 2015-2016, when Buzz won 10 ACC games and Manning won 2, neither made the field of 64, so that's a tie
Advantage Manning! Met Expectations!
When your claims about year 3 don’t hold up, talk about years 2 and 4 instead. Can’t fault you for trying to change the subject. I’ve stated ad nauseum that Manning sucked both of those years and should have been fired after year 4 under normal circumstances.
my claims about year 3 hold up just fine, and I'm not changing the subject
in 2016-17, Manning beat some shitty teams and had a worse year than Buzz Williams; an algorithm that says otherwise needs to be tweaked
you've stated ad nauseum that Manning "met expectations" in year 2, and that is laughably wrong - so I'll bring it up from time to time
I’ve stated ad nauseum that Manning sucked
I’ve stated ad nauseum that Manning “met my expectations”
cool
here's hoping for some close losses the rest of the way!
When your claims about year 3 don’t hold up, talk about years 2 and 4 instead. Can’t fault you for trying to change the subject. I’ve stated ad nauseum that Manning sucked both of those years and should have been fired after year 4 under normal circumstances.
My expectations for any coach taking over our program in 2014 would be to suck for two years. I didn’t particularly care how much they sucked as long as they didn’t move backwards. I get that you would have preferred a few more wins over shitty teams and closer losses to good teams those first two years, but that doesn’t really move the needle for me.
That’s bullshit. You were the main one saying Manning shouldn’t have been fired in March.
We weren’t under normal circumstances.
It’s pretty rare to have a coach that you shouldn’t fire even if you can upgrade (Duke shouldn’t fire K even if they are convinced that Stevens is a better coach and available).
It’s also pretty rare (though less so) to have a coach you should fire even if you have to downgrade. The coach has to do something so egregious that act of keeping him would be just as embarrassing to the program/school as the egregious act the coach committed. This is typically some off court incident, but bad enough results can reach this level (see [Redacted]’s first two years).
Manning has never been in either category (Though he’s trending quickly towards the latter) so the question about whether to fire him has always been “will our AD bring in someone better?” If we had a great AD, the answer would have been yes anytime after year 2. If we had a bad AD the answer would have been yes after year 4. Unfortunately we have Wellman.
In short, context is the only thing that matters when it benefits you...but you dismiss it when it makes your subjective opinions that you keep referring to as "facts" look bad.
ABH. Always Be Hedging.
Manning will make the same mistakes tonight he made in s1 g1. He is the coach he is. That's why any extra credit he gets for year 3 should be placed squarely at the feet of collins. The only reason that team made first 4 is because collins had an historically good season on a mediocre (at best) team while overcoming a terrible coach.
The easy answer is he didn’t have to play Virginia. But I imagine he did play teams like Houston Baptist and Delaware State. He only really won in Feb and March one season. And he parlayed that into 5+ years of $$$$.