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Doctors are paid way too much in America

And I read the posted article but not the Time article
 
the issue is you quoted a post about this "misinformation." why didn't you quote some of these jealous loosers that offended you so much? i think it's because those posts don't exist here. it's a fucking wake message board; we don't begrudge people for making money (except bkf).
 
also, how much time do doctors sit around talking about how much they make? i don't know what any of my coworkers make.
 
I was more responding to some of the responses than the article. But certainly could have misread people. I admit it can be a sensitive topic. Everyone wants to hate without knowing the reality.
 
deacphan said:
also, how much time do doctors sit around talking about how much they make? i don't know what any of my coworkers make.
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Not often in my experience. But you have some idea what folks make. But I don't know specifics for anyone but my closest friends from med school.
 
BacktoBack said:
What about that is funny? I'm in no way comparing it to military work. It's a figure of speech.
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Yea, but like, who are the bad guys in this scenario? Isn't that typically where the figure of speech comes from? Like, you're in battle? I've heard it on the football field before, but never really at the workplace.
 
Bronson Pinchot said:
Yea, but like, who are the bad guys in this scenario? Isn't that typically where the figure of speech comes from? Like, you're in battle? I've heard it on the football field before, but never really at the workplace.
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Death and disease, dude. And waterskiing.
 
Bronson Pinchot said:
Yea, but like, who are the bad guys in this scenario? Isn't that typically where the figure of speech comes from? Like, you're in battle? I've heard it on the football field before, but never really at the workplace.
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I'm guessing your workplace is a little different than mine. Taking care of people at their lowest points is a battle sometimes. Not like a military battle but a battle none the less. It wasn't intended in any way but a figure of speech.
 
i'd bet most of the doctor hate is more due to this guy than salaries:

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BacktoBack said:
I'm guessing your workplace is a little different than mine. Taking care of people at their lowest points is a battle sometimes. Not like a military battle but a battle none the less. It wasn't intended in any way but a figure of speech.
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From a utilitarian standpoint, I guess I just don't get the superiority complex doctors have that makes them feel like they work so much harder than people in so many other fields. I get that the training is much more intense, but is it harder than let's say, somebody that has no formal training whatsoever, but works in the fields all day? Nurses see death and disease all day, too, and get paid less to do more hands on work.

I don't have a lack of respect for doctors, and I appreciate what they do, but when they get all mad when people say they're overpaid, the indignation makes me laugh. Plenty of people that work just as much and just as hard get paid nowhere near as much, so qualify it all you want, but I don't think it's "misinformation," I think it's perception.
 
Most people get mad when people say they're overpaid.
 
Bronson Pinchot said:
From a utilitarian standpoint, I guess I just don't get the superiority complex doctors have that makes them feel like they work so much harder than people in so many other fields. I get that the training is much more intense, but is it harder than let's say, somebody that has no formal training whatsoever, but works in the fields all day? Nurses see death and disease all day, too, and get paid less to do more hands on work.

I don't have a lack of respect for doctors, and I appreciate what they do, but when they get all mad when people say they're overpaid, the indignation makes me laugh. Plenty of people that work just as much and just as hard get paid nowhere near as much, so qualify it all you want, but I don't think it's "misinformation," I think it's perception.
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Very fair points. Field work is physically demanding but has little stress or repercussions for mistakes and requires little intelligence. Nursing is hard work but when shit hits the fan ultimate responsibility is with the doctor. Plus when a nursing shift is over they hand off to the next shift. And the time investment in training is as little as community college. Physicians in my biased opinion are the combination of willingness to work long hours, stressful work, high intelligence, and willingness to accept delayed gratification. There are other jobs that have that combination but they are usually well paid too.
 
PhDeac said:
Most people get mad when people say they're overpaid.
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Wouldn't say I'm mad. Just think people should be more informed with their opinions. I get paid well. I think I deserve it. If folks disagree that's ultimately more their issue than mine.
 
BacktoBack said:
Very fair points. Field work is physically demanding but has little stress or repercussions for mistakes and requires little intelligence.

Requires little intelligence is arguable, but the first part is just plain wrong. Maybe day to day there's less "stress," but their margins are tiny. Aside from the idiotic subsidy farms, farmers have to produce in spite of whatever conditions are thrown their way that are out of their control, and they have to do so with their own blood, sweat and tears. Equipment is ridic expensive, and profits are ridic low.

Nursing is hard work but when shit hits the fan ultimate responsibility is with the doctor. Plus when a nursing shift is over they hand off to the next shift.

Think my nurse friends would prolly have something to say about this.

And the time investment in training is as little as community college. Physicians in my biased opinion are the combination of willingness to work long hours, stressful work, high intelligence, and willingness to accept delayed gratification. There are other jobs that have that combination but they are usually well paid too.

See that's basically the point I'm trying to make. I make this claim about IBankers or hedge fund managers and people tend to agree, because the long hours and stressful work environment, willingness to deal with risk, high education, etc., still don't really mean shit when there are six-figure bonuses the middle class will still resent.

And far be it from me to say that doctors are overpaid. I appreciate what they do, I fully recognize that I could never handle it in a million years. But these arguments you keep bringing up don't really cut it with me. I guess it could just be that I am jealous. I won't make in my entire career what, say, a dermatology specialist make as a starting salary. I deal with a stressful job that cost me a shit load of money in terms of a Wake education. I work long hours. I consider myself smart and hard working. If I made it up to 100k/year in the first ten years (first of all, it'd be a miracle), but I think I'd still probably not give a shit if somebody said I made too much money doing what I do. It's kind of what you signed up for, right?
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I didn't mean farmers in general. Your points are fair there. I mean field workers.

My wife is a nurse. She'd agree with what I said. Never met a single nurse who wanted to change places with me. I respect big time what they do. They respect what I do. When things are bad they don't mind handing over the reigns to the doctor. Which is how it should be. Doctors get sued. Nurses don't.

I agree it's what I signed up for. I'm cool with my decision. Don't expect people to respect me for it. But would hope people would keep opinions informed before being upset over my salary.
 
How many hours per week do your nurse friends work? It's usually ~36.
 
Bronson Pinchot said:
Yea, but like, who are the bad guys in this scenario? Isn't that typically where the figure of speech comes from? Like, you're in battle? I've heard it on the football field before, but never really at the workplace.
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Working in the ER can be somewhat close to "the trenches" sometimes. I was talking to one of the MDs who I work with the other day - she said that when she was training in Philly, some of the attending ER docs would wear bulletproof vests to work...

I think the best advice I've heard to prospective med students is "Don't go into medicine purely for the money." It's a calling. If you're smart enough to be accepted to med school, you're smart enough to do something else that's probably more lucrative with less stress, time spent in school, time spent working, etc.
 
StarboardDeac said:
Working in the ER can be somewhat close to "the trenches" sometimes. I was talking to one of the MDs who I work with the other day - she said that when she was training in Philly, some of the attending ER docs would wear bulletproof vests to work...
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I work in Philly :eek:hnoes:
 
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