WakeandBake
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Like so many arguments from the right, it’s bullshit that they try to polish up.
This whole situation astounds me.
There cannot be ANYONE who thinks that a statue to this man on a state university campus is a good idea.
Arlington is not in DC. There are many statues in DC honoring many people. Circles and squares in DC usually have a statue of the person they are named for.
No, it’s in Virginia, stolen from the family of one Robert E. Lee.
It fucks with the narrative insofar as it shows that a government that honors the confederate dead isn’t necessarily honoring the confederate cause.
Asked and answered.
To elaborate, because they were opposed to black people receiving equal protection of the laws.
Holy shit junebug made this about originalism. A JHMD for a new generation
Holy shit junebug made this about originalism. A JHMD for a new generation
Junebug couldn't just stop at authoritarianism, you know, "there's a legal process for a reason, cant just disobey the law when you dont like it" yadda yadda yadda, he had to fucking obfuscate about the intention of the monuments. Jesus. No matter what route junebug takes to make an argument, he ALWAYS finds a way to choose the conservative view point.Holy shit junebug made this about originalism. A JHMD for a new generation
Well, first off, your facts are wrong. Silent Sam wasn’t erected during the Civil Rights movement. He was erected in 1913.
Second, as for those statues that were erected during the Civil Rights movement, I agree that that fact is a strong argument to bring them down, and, absent any countervailing evidence, they should likely come down. My argument pertains to statues that are more contemporaneous with the generations that saw the Civil War.
Third, the question isn’t whether we are going to honor the confederate dead. I don’t think anyone is advocating for more statues of them. The question is whether we are going to dishonor them by bringing the statues down. We have people on this thread accusing footsoldiers of treason, and bringing them down buys into that viewpoint, when the reality is that most of them were pawns in rich men’s games, and undeserving of the aspersion.
Fourth, many Southerners feel strongly about this, in part, because someone in their lineage from not too many generations ago fought and died in the Civil War. There are others aspects of Southern culture that cause people to feel tied to the land and their lineage in a way that simply isn’t present in other areas of the country. I don’t expect non-Southerners to get it, and, candidly, I don’t really care if they do.
Except when I said—not more than an hour ago—that putting up the statues in the 1960s was about denying blacks equal protection. But don’t let me fuck with your narrative.
Well, first off, your facts are wrong. Silent Sam wasn’t erected during the Civil Rights movement. He was erected in 1913.
Second, as for those statues that were erected during the Civil Rights movement, I agree that that fact is a strong argument to bring them down, and, absent any countervailing evidence, they should likely come down. My argument pertains to statues that are more contemporaneous with the generations that saw the Civil War.
Third, the question isn’t whether we are going to honor the confederate dead. I don’t think anyone is advocating for more statues of them. The question is whether we are going to dishonor them by bringing the statues down. We have people on this thread accusing footsoldiers of treason, and bringing them down buys into that viewpoint, when the reality is that most of them were pawns in rich men’s games, and undeserving of the aspersion.
Fourth, many Southerners feel strongly about this, in part, because someone in their lineage from not too many generations ago fought and died in the Civil War. There are others aspects of Southern culture that cause people to feel tied to the land and their lineage in a way that simply isn’t present in other areas of the country. I don’t expect non-Southerners to get it, and, candidly, I don’t really care if they do.