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Frank (fully honest/accurate, who knows) NIL discussion

NJDeac’22 said:
Ideas for how local businesses can have mutually beneficial relationships with Wake athletes:

Putters: hosting basketball players for autograph sessions before football games and football before basketball

Local bars: star players using social media to promote events

City of WS: use star players to deliver messages to residents (similar to some major cities using celebrities to film covid-related messages)

Car dealerships: use players in commercials or outfit them with dealer sponsored cars in exchange for promoting the business

All of this is legitimate, beneficial not just for the players but for the business and should be facilitated by those with the means to make it happen. Even a $2,000 deal with Tate's downtown to promote "Wake Wednesday" or whatever is something I'm sure every player would love to do.
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I don't think this would go over super well in the local community.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
I don't think this would go over super well in the local community.
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A guy like Daivien or CBS who grew up in Winston would surely be fine I would think. Obviously a white kid from like northern Virginia on the football team probably wouldn't go over as well lol
 
NJDeac’22 said:
Ideas for how local businesses can have mutually beneficial relationships with Wake athletes:

Putters: hosting basketball players for autograph sessions before football games and football before basketball

Local bars: star players using social media to promote events

City of WS: use star players to deliver messages to residents (similar to some major cities using celebrities to film covid-related messages)

Car dealerships: use players in commercials or outfit them with dealer sponsored cars in exchange for promoting the business

All of this is legitimate, beneficial not just for the players but for the business and should be facilitated by those with the means to make it happen. Even a $2,000 deal with Tate's downtown to promote "Wake Wednesday" or whatever is something I'm sure every player would love to do.
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Have you sent a fax yet to the Athletic Department with these pearls of wisdom, HoyaSaxa?
 
NJDeac’22 said:
A guy like Daivien or CBS who grew up in Winston would surely be fine I would think. Obviously a white kid from like northern Virginia on the football team probably wouldn't go over as well lol
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It's possible. I don't know that a city with some real problems cutting a check to a student athlete from the cloistered institution that's resourced well beyond most in the community is exactly an saavy PR move.
 
Slow day at the office. Funny NIL deals:

  • Sam Hartman signed by AARP to prove senior citizens really can do anything they set their minds to
  • Caleb Love signed by the NRA because he proves more shots is always the answer
  • Damari Monsanto signed by Tinder for reminding us that you must shoot to score
  • Mitch Griffis signs with Pepsi because he's not Coke, but he's a fine alternative
  • Donavan Green signs with Starbucks because he too makes white girls happy
 
NJDeac’22 said:
Slow day at the office. Funny NIL deals:

  • Sam Hartman signed by AARP to prove senior citizens really can do anything they set their minds to
  • Caleb Love signed by the NRA because he proves more shots is always the answer
  • Damari Monsanto signed by Tinder for reminding us that you must shoot to score
  • Mitch Griffis signs with Pepsi because he's not Coke, but he's a fine alternative
  • Donavan Green signs with Starbucks because he too makes white girls happy
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Guys, did RJ go all Benjamin Button on us?
 
Read an article somewhere online that made a valid point: with so much of NIL (in fact the majority IMO) being "pay-for-play" and not related to a player's marketability and specifically with the collectives, this could be a clear violation of Title IX. Sounds like the lawyers are already lining up to challenge the whole system; should be interesting. Will probably come down to the concept of say whether or not the 3rd string OL at Miami who gets $25K a year "is considered to have a "marketable" image simply by putting on the uniform of a recognizable brand that's part of of a multibillion dollar enterprise.
 
DownEastDeac said:
Read an article somewhere online that made a valid point: with so much of NIL (in fact the majority IMO) being "pay-for-play" and not related to a player's marketability and specifically with the collectives, this could be a clear violation of Title IX. Sounds like the lawyers are already lining up to challenge the whole system; should be interesting. Will probably come down to the concept of say whether or not the 3rd string OL at Miami who gets $25K a year "is considered to have a "marketable" image simply by putting on the uniform of a recognizable brand that's part of of a multibillion dollar enterprise.
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Not sure how this gets traction. The NIL money is from non-school entities. Businesses, collectives etc. Title IX applies to educational institutions using their own funds.

Some lawyer can explain how businesses providing part time employment opportunities fall under title IX. I'm not one.
 
Who are the lawyers representing?

The athletes aren't going to sue since they benefit from the current system.

If a group of smaller schools are considering suing claiming to be victimized by the current system, the big schools will just leave the NCAA and form their own association. Also, people conveniently forget that NIL does not involve schools or the NCAA. NIL involves business and private citizens and the athlete. Previously, the NCAA could stop NIL deals by penalizing schools and athletes if a college athlete receives payment from an outside source because of his/her status as an athlete. The NCAA (and the schools) no longer can stop such deals.

The government may get involved, but there are so many conflicting interests (and a lot of other bigger issues that deserve their attention), what would be the point?

Hard to see a viable lawsuit challenging NIL. The Supreme Court gave the OK to NIL, and while many NIL deals are pay for play, almost everyone offering the NIL deals has consulted with a lawyer, and so, they know enough to create a little cover to avoid being caught offering pay for play.

Just get the athlete to sign a some autographs and make a couple of appearances and the NIL deal is safe from scrutiny. If Nigel Pack signs autographs, the law isn't going to get involved to say Pack's effort isn't worth what he is getting paid. Seems like the only viable challenge to NIL is Congress getting involved and setting up a regulatory body, probably through the Department of Education to regulate NIL. IOW, another bureaucracy, and in this political climate, there just isn't the will (or the political benefit) to make that happen.
 
DownEastDeac said:

MSN

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“These pay-for-play collectives are not going to pass muster under Title IX,” says nationally renowned Title IX attorney Nancy Hogshead-Makar"

That's quite a name. Apparently the argument is there is no true separation of the NIL "collectives"/private organizations from the universities.
 
Absolutely nobody could have seen that coming with this guy.
 
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