PhillyDeac
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just piggy backing off people saying they've seen/heard far worse.
sooooo, fuck off bzzzzz-inner
sooooo, fuck off bzzzzz-inner
Many of the various opinions expressed here in this thread can actually co-exist.
Fans need to get a grip and not take sports so seriously or make them so personal... It is ridiculous. Cheer for your team. cheer against the other team, try to distract them - whatever...
That being said, I'm sorry, but a fan at a game needs to be free to shout and cheer what they want without fear of physical assault by an athlete. If a fan is out of control, saying or doing things that are over the line, someone (a coach or player who hears or sees them, or nearby fans) can and should ask security to either control them or escort them out. It has happened before and will happen again. Under no circumstances is it warranted, nor can it be tolerated, for an athlete to physically respond to a fan.
I saw a Wake fan get escorted out of the G'boro coliseum - he was seated close behind the Carolina bench and shouted out for everyone to hear a classic Dean Smith joke - I think it was the one where Dean and Linda Lovelace differ in that she doesn't choke on the big ones. Dean calmly contacted security and that guy was no longer in the building.
What about all the fans that had the "no means no" signs directed at Sheldon Williams - calling him a rapist. That is pretty incendiary, no? What if he had snapped? For those of you saying Smart was justified in what he did, would Sheldon have been?
Yea, I heard that too. Obviously with Twitter everything is a bigger deal now than it was pre-Twitter, but I tend to think any confrontation between a player and fan(s) will always garner more attention than any such similar confrontation between two competing players. Also, I would add that there's a flipside: not only would Twitter have increased the visibility and controversy of the nut punch itself, but also the reported "justification" for it. IOW, Twitter is an equal opportunity sounding board, and I find it likely that the rumors of Hodge mouthing off to CP about his deceased grandfather would've spread just as voraciously as the punch itself.Yeah I recall a Wake undergrad screaming "you f***ing mutt" at the point guard for GT back in 1999. People say horrible things at sporting events.
Bill Simmons discussed this with Chuck Klostermann on the BS Report yesterday. He even brought up the nut-punch incident, not necessarily equating them, but rhetorically asking how huge of a story it would be if had happened today instead of 10 years ago when you see the social media storm surrounding this Smart incident.
I get your overall point, but when Smart came face to face with Orr, Orr should have shut the fuck up. If he is yelling that stuff while Smart is at the free throw line, Smart isn't coming after him.
Always hated that No Means No sign.
Many of the various opinions expressed here in this thread can actually co-exist.
Fans need to get a grip and not take sports so seriously or make them so personal... It is ridiculous. Cheer for your team. cheer against the other team, try to distract them - whatever...
That being said, I'm sorry, but a fan at a game needs to be free to shout and cheer what they want without fear of physical assault by an athlete. If a fan is out of control, saying or doing things that are over the line, someone (a coach or player who hears or sees them, or nearby fans) can and should ask security to either control them or escort them out. It has happened before and will happen again. Under no circumstances is it warranted, nor can it be tolerated, for an athlete to physically respond to a fan.
I saw a Wake fan get escorted out of the G'boro coliseum - he was seated close behind the Carolina bench and shouted out for everyone to hear a classic Dean Smith joke - I think it was the one where Dean and Linda Lovelace differ in that she doesn't choke on the big ones. Dean calmly contacted security and that guy was no longer in the building.
What about all the fans that had the "no means no" signs directed at Sheldon Williams - calling him a rapist. That is pretty incendiary, no? What if he had snapped? For those of you saying Smart was justified in what he did, would Sheldon have been?
The ironic thing about Sheldon is that the Dick fans did worse to Herman Veal back in the day. I remember them chanting "rapist" clearly whenever he was on the FT line. Forget what else, but that wasn't a good day to be Herman Veal. And in both instances, I have no problem with what the Wake and Dick fans did to Sheldon and Herman. Athletes are public figures, and those 2 public figures had allegedly committed pretty bad crimes.
What I think is out of bounds and ejection from the arena worthy behavior is racist, sexist or sexual preference language or really heinous personal stuff, like the crackhead parent chant the UVA kids did to Juan Dixon (both his parents were heroin addicts who had died of AIDS when he was a kid). Short of that type of stuff, cheer and make fun of the other team to your heart's content.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/i-was-sort-of-a-prick-j-j-redick-on-playing-j-j-redick/
Redick says throughout that game, he and Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti, seated courtside, exchanged barbs. “He was talking noise to me the whole game, and I was just yapping back,” Redick says. “I watch video now of me in college, and I just think, What are you doing, man?”
The ironic thing about Sheldon is that the Dick fans did worse to Herman Veal back in the day. I remember them chanting "rapist" clearly whenever he was on the FT line. Forget what else, but that wasn't a good day to be Herman Veal.
they were yelling "fuck fuck" and and threw women's panties during intros
Didn't the Duke fans have a sign asking Veal if he sent the girl flowers afterward?
Well, he didn't "go" into the stands, at least not like Ron Artest did. He happened to land in the stands, right in front of the guy. And if anyone believes all Orr said to Smart was "You're a piece of crap," then indeed, we have some fucking idiots posting here.