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Per Jay Glazer and confirmed by Adam Schefter. Redskins swap picks and give up two additional future 1st rounders and a 2nd.
 
Nice haul for the Rams, and they can still get the top WR they want.
 
In related news, Peyton Manning told the Redskins to fuck off.
 
3 first rounds and a second round? Eat a dick Dan Snyder.
 
More appropriate here:

If you actually feel RGIII will be your legitimate franchise QB, then there is no price too high. However, if you are wrong, your team is screwed for at least 5 years while you continue to invest in him, and you as the GM are most likely gone, too.

That begs the question, would you bet your job on RGIII being your franchise QB?
 
AnonymousDeac said:
More appropriate here:

If you actually feel RGIII will be your legitimate franchise QB, then there is no price too high. However, if you are wrong, your team is screwed for at least 5 years while you continue to invest in him, and you as the GM are most likely gone, too.

That begs the question, would you bet your job on RGIII being your franchise QB?
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Do we actually believe that the GM is the one calling the shots for the Redskins?
 
AnonymousDeac said:
More appropriate here:

If you actually feel RGIII will be your legitimate franchise QB, then there is no price too high. However, if you are wrong, your team is screwed for at least 5 years while you continue to invest in him, and you as the GM are most likely gone, too.

That begs the question, would you bet your job on RGIII being your franchise QB?
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I previously addressed this...

RGIII could be a franchise QB. He's got legit skills. However, he simply doesn't fit the Shanahan mold and there is NOBODY in DC right now to groom him at all as a QB.
 
Step 1. Find your star player.
Step 2. Build around that player.
Step 3. Create a system that allows him to excel.
Step 4. Profit.

Step 1, potentially done. Question is does Washington have the ability to now make the necessary changes? Most probably think not.
 
AnonymousDeac said:
Step 1. Find your star player.
Step 2. Build around that player.
Step 3. Create a system that allows him to excel.
Step 4. Profit.

Step 1, potentially done. Question is does Washington have the ability to now make the necessary changes? Most probably think not.
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I mean that's one way to do it. Luck and RGIII both have the apparent "tools" to be that guy in your step 1. But the best 3 QB on the best 3 teams (arguably) of the last 5 years did not follow this path at all. Their teams built by drafting smart, growing the depth chart, and finding a system that works:

Rogers sat for years behind Favre
Brees moved around a bit
Brady got lucky to fill in for Drew Bledsoe

At the QB position, seems to me going all out with a big pick and rebuilding your system around him fails more often than not.
 
I like RGIII but it is going to be tough to surround him with some good olinemen and offensive weapons without another pick til the 3rd round this year and no 1st in 2013 or 2014. Building through FA is not the way.

Also, for some reason the Jets just gave the Sanchize a crazy extension through 2016 for 58 million total. He is now the 7th highest paid QB.
 
In somewhat related news, Sanchez gets a 3 year extension effectively removing the Jets from the Manning Chase.


... good move by the organization if you ask me. Time to focus on the draft.
 
I'm counting RGIII as equivalent to a #1 overall pick because without Luck, he would be, and the Redskins gave up enough they value him comparably to a #1 overall pick.

#1 QB picks since 1983:

1983: John Elway (F)
1987: Vinny Testaverde (F)
1989: Troy Aikman (F)
1990: Jeff George (B)
1993: Drew Bledsoe (F)
1998: Peyton Manning (F)
1999: Tim Couch (B)
2001: Michael Vick (F)
2002: David Carr (B)
2003: Carson Palmer
2004: Eli Manning (F)
2005: Alex Smith
2007: JaMarcus Russel (B)
2009: Matthew Stafford
2010: Sam Bradford

15 picks. 7 franchise QBs. 4 clear busts. Jury still out on Bradford and Stafford. Not sure how you evaluate Carson Palmer and Alex Smith.

If just one of those four unknowns can be classified as a franchise QB, then you have greater than 50% of your #1 overall QB picks turning into franchise QBs.

Yes, it's a risk, but it seems to be a worthwhile gamble. You also need to consider that the only top QB in the past however many years to be acquired not through the draft was Drew Brees.
 
Did you just refer to Vinny Testaverde as a franchise quarterback?
 
AnonymousDeac said:
I'm counting RGIII as equivalent to a #1 overall pick because without Luck, he would be, and the Redskins gave up enough they value him comparably to a #1 overall pick.

#1 QB picks since 1983:

1983: John Elway (F)
1987: Vinny Testaverde (F)
1989: Troy Aikman (F)
1990: Jeff George (B)
1993: Drew Bledsoe (F)
1998: Peyton Manning (F)
1999: Tim Couch (B)
2001: Michael Vick (F)
2002: David Carr (B)
2003: Carson Palmer
2004: Eli Manning (F)
2005: Alex Smith
2007: JaMarcus Russel (B)
2009: Matthew Stafford
2010: Sam Bradford

15 picks. 7 franchise QBs. 4 clear busts. Jury still out on Bradford and Stafford. Not sure how you evaluate Carson Palmer and Alex Smith.

If just one of those four unknowns can be classified as a franchise QB, then you have greater than 50% of your #1 overall QB picks turning into franchise QBs.

Yes, it's a risk, but it seems to be a worthwhile gamble. You also need to consider that the only top QB in the past however many years to be acquired not through the draft was Drew Brees.
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Serious question: how many teams gave away a boat load (the way the Redskins just did) to get one of those QBs?
 
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