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Obvious Improvement is Obvious: Our Team's In-Conference Stats

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How obvious is our team's improvement? Here are some very basic comparisons between everybody's numbers between this and last year:

Wake's ACC Conference Record:

2012-2013 --> 4-8 after 12 games, ultimately 6-12.
-average margin of defeat (through 8 games): 14.3 points
-wins: UVA, BC, NC State, Florida State

2013-2014 --> 4-8 after 12 games
-average margin of defeat (through 8 games): 13.4 points
-wins: UNC, NC State, VT, Notre Dame

Wake Players in 2013-2014 ACC Play:

Travis McKie:
2012-2013 --> 12.9 ppg (46.2% FG, 36.2% 3FG, and 74.6% FT), 6.4 rpg, 1.3 apg/2.3 T, 1.3 spg, and 1.2 bpg in 32.6 mpg
2013-2014 --> 11.5 ppg (44.2% FG, 29.8% 3FG, and 82.8% FT), 3.6 rpg, 1.1 apg/0.9 TO, 0.8 spg, and 0.5 bpg in 30.1 mpg

Codi Miller-McIntyre:
2012-2013 --> 7.9 ppg (38.2% FG, 25.0% 3FG, and 50% FT), 2.9 rpg, 2.3 apg/1.8 TO, and 0.7 spg in 29.2 mpg
2013-2014 --> 10.9 ppg (40.9% FG, 8.7% 3FG, and 57.1% FT), 2.4 rpg, 3.7 apg/1.8 TO, and 0.5 spg in 29.8 mpg

Devin Thomas:
2012-2013 --> 10.7 ppg (52.4% FG and 57.6% FT), 8.5 rpg, 1.3 apg/2.9 TO, 1.1 spg, and 1.5 bpg in 29.4 mpg
2013-2014 --> 10.5 ppg (55.3% FG and 45.8% FT), 6.1 rpg, 1.8 apg/3.0 TO, 0.8 spg, and 0.8 bpg in 29.1 mpg

Bill Moto:
2012-2013 --> 6.1 ppg (37% FG, 6.7% 3FG, and 64.8% FT), 4.2 rpg, 0.6 apg/1.1 TO, and 0.6 spg in 17.4 mpg
2013-2014 --> 8.1 ppg (44.8% FG, 0% 3FG, and 72.6% FT), 5.8 rpg, 0.3 apg/1.8 TO, and 0.5 spg in 21.2 mpg

Tyler Cavanaugh:
2012-2013 --> 3.9 ppg (30.4% FG, 22.9% 3FG, and 68.8% FT), 2.1 rpg, 0.6 apg/1.2 TO and 0.1 bpg in 16.2 mpg
2013-2014 --> 8.5 ppg (40.5% FG, 34.8% 3FG, and 82.9% FT), 3.3 rpg, 0.8 apg/1.3 TO and 0.6 bpg in 22.6 mpg

Madison Jones:
2012-2013 --> 2.9 ppg (48.1% FG, 0% 3FG, and 54.5% FT), 1.1 rpg, 2.3 apg/1.9 TO, and 1.2 spg in 18.9 mpg
2013-2014 --> 3.7 ppg (37.5% FG, 0% 3FG, and 58.8% FT), 1.8 rpg, 3.2 apg/2.4 TO, and 1.5 spg in 24.2 mpg

Andre Washington:
2012-2013 --> 1.0 ppg (37.5% FG and 62.5% FT), 0.6 rpg, 0.0 apg/0.3 TO and 0.3 bpg in 5.1 mpg
2013-2014 --> 1.0 ppg (57.1% FG and 75.0% FT), 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg/0.2 TO and 0.8 bpg in 5.9 mpg

Aaron Rountree:
2012-2013 --> 1.0 ppg (35.5% FG, 0% 3FG, and 60% FT), 1.4 rpg, 0.4 apg/0.5 TO, 0.7 spg, and 0.7 bpg in 9.3 mpg.
2013-2014 --> 0.7 ppg (20.0% FG, 25.0% 3FG and 33.3% FT), 1.5 rpg, 0.3 apg/0.2 TO, 0.6 spg, and 0.7 bpg in 9.2 mpg.

...and our new players:

Coron Williams
2013-2014 --> 7.8 ppg (39.5% FG, 30.3% 3FG, and 80% FT), 1.6 rpg, 1.1 apg/0.3 TO, and 0.4 spg in 24.2 mpg

Miles Overton
2013-2014 --> 3.8 ppg (47.6% FG, 50% 3FG, and 53.8% FT), 1.0 rpg, 0.6 apg/0.6 TO, and 0.1 spg in 8.8 mpg
 
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23.1% FG% for Rountree? Jesus.
 
We've won 14 games. We have that going for us. I can see obvious improvement in some players' play. But all teams experience this in young players. We still have Bzz and they don't. And that is the end of the story.
 
You could replace Bzzz with a corpse and these numbers would probably look the same.
 
DirkTheDeac said:
We've won 14 games. We have that going for us. I can see obvious improvement in some players' play. But all teams experience this in young players. We still have Bzz and they don't. And that is the end of the story.
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It's easy to win 14 games when you don't play anybody.

Buzz is 17-8 OOC over that two year period against the following teams:
-Xavier, Southern California, Richmond, St. Bonaventure, William & Mary, Mercer, Colgate, VMI, High Point, Jacksonville, The Citadel, Presbyterian (twice), UNC Greensboro (twice), and Furman.
Losses include:
-#2 Kansas, #23 Connecticut, Tennessee, Xavier, Iona, Seton Hall, Richmond, and Nebraska.

There's a very clear pattern in our wins and losses.

Our ACC wins over the same time period:
#2 Miami (2012), #18 NC State (2012), #19 UNC (2013), NC State (2013), FSU (2012), Notre Dame (2013), UVA (2012), BC (2012), Virginia Tech (2012), and Virginia Tech (2013). There is still time, but again, we're not exactly trending upward...

Our ACC record is the same as it was last year and our players have either taken a step back or seen marginal improvement. Since we don't have much of a sample size against good teams in OOC play, then that's about as good of a measure of improvement as exists.
 
With the exception of Moto, and Cav to some extent, there's been some terrible regression in our rebounding stats.

Doesn't he go over these things in practice?
 
Does anybody else feel that he would be happy to be 1 game over .500? In the NBA that gets you in the playoffs occasionally and is the goal. Sadly, it is not good enough at this level of play.
 
Bzzz literally said that he believes a winning season is a successful season.

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Dino Gaudino said:
Bzzz literally said that he believes a winning season is a successful season.

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Where? How in the hell is year 4, a successful season defined by having a winning season? Especially when you look at that out of conference slate we played. This is just infuriating.
 
Someone else posted that a few days ago. I'm not sure of the original source.

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Our final Kenpom was 134 last year. We're 104 now, and I believe we were in the 90's when many people were commenting that we had improved. So yeah, we're better, although just from awful to slightly less awful.
 
those numbers support my general opinion that CMM, Cav, & Moto have improved, Devin has been stagnant, and Travis has regressed.
 
Those FT shooting percentages make me want to throw up - DT, CMM, Jones, Rountree and Overton all under 60% (obviously most notable for DT and CMM given minutes...)
 
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