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Ongoing US GOP Debacle Thread: Seditious Republicans march toward authoritarianism

trumpublicans are falling all over themselves trying to out trump each other. Trumpers gonna trump i guess.
 
Democrats lie like human beings lie. Republicans are a cartel that thrives on continuous streams of false narratives.
 
Danielle Pletka, a Senior Fellow at the conservative American Enterprise Institute and one of the right-wing roundtable regulars on Meet the Press, was interviewed by The New Yorker on why she, a "Never Trumper" (which I seriously doubt) is now "open" to voting for Trump this year. She recently wrote a controversial op-ed for the Washington Post where she claims that she might have no choice but to vote for Trump this year, due to the "dangerous" leftward drift of the Democratic Party and cancel culture. She concludes her op-ed by warning that “Trump, for all his flaws, could be all that stands between our imperfect democracy and the tyranny of the woke left.”

The interview is hilarious, in that she admits that Trump is horrible, but insists that Trump's views and statements don't really represent the "mainstream" of the GOP - "they do not represent the mainstream of the Republican Party or guide the choices of the vast mass of Republican members of Congress...all I can tell you is that when I look at the United States Senate, when I look at the United States House, when I look at the people I know who are Republican—and I’ve been a conservative and I’ve been in Washington for many decades now—that does not represent who they are...I think that they do not share his vision. And I don’t think that they share his attitudes on these things. Have all Republicans been as courageous as they should have been in standing up and saying that? No, absolutely not. Nonetheless, when I talk about it, I say that I don’t believe that he represents the mainstream of the Party." LOL

When the reporter questions her about her work for Jesse Helms, and whether she was bothered by his racism and bigotry, she becomes highly defensive: "And one of the things I’ve tried to say to people who disagree is that disagreeing is totally fine...What I don’t welcome is having my motives questioned. What I don’t welcome is being called a racist. What I don’t welcome is people who want to excommunicate me from society because of what I think."

Reporter: "Saying this now about racial issues, how do you feel in hindsight about your work with Senator Helms?"
Pletka: "As far as I was concerned, in my work with him, he never uttered a racist statement, never betrayed a racial bias. To the contrary. So there may have been a Jesse Helms one day who did things that were wrong."
Reporter: "You know things that were wrong. This isn’t a “may.”
Pletka: "But I worked for him on South Asia and the Middle East, and I was very proud of what we accomplished."
Reporter: "I understand that. But I’m saying you must know about the guy’s career? I mean, the Civil Rights Act, the Martin Luther King holiday, his interactions with Carol Moseley Braun, his ads, his comments about South Africa and African National Congress. This stuff isn’t completely unknown to you.
Pletka: "I'm not quite sure what this has to do with my article."
Reporter: "You said that you were opposed to racism and all its forms. And I was just asking whether you had—"
Pletka: "Are you questioning whether I'm opposed to racism and all its forms?"
Reporter: "I was questioning whether someone who is opposed to racism in all its forms has any second thoughts about Jesse Helms. Yes, that’s what I was asking."
Pletka: "Interesting question...I’m assuming you think that it’s fair that I won’t answer certain questions, because you seem to want to trap me and discredit my views. So I’m just going to leave this topic alone, if that’s O.K." (LOL)

Link: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-a-never-trumper-changed-her-mind
 
Highland Deac said:
Danielle Pletka, a Senior Fellow at the conservative American Enterprise Institute and one of the right-wing roundtable regulars on Meet the Press, was interviewed by The New Yorker on why she, a "Never Trumper" (which I seriously doubt) is now "open" to voting for Trump this year. She recently wrote a controversial op-ed for the Washington Post where she claims that she might have no choice but to vote for Trump this year, due to the "dangerous" leftward drift of the Democratic Party and cancel culture. She concludes her op-ed by warning that “Trump, for all his flaws, could be all that stands between our imperfect democracy and the tyranny of the woke left.”

The interview is hilarious, in that she admits that Trump is horrible, but insists that Trump's views and statements don't really represent the "mainstream" of the GOP - "they do not represent the mainstream of the Republican Party or guide the choices of the vast mass of Republican members of Congress...all I can tell you is that when I look at the United States Senate, when I look at the United States House, when I look at the people I know who are Republican—and I’ve been a conservative and I’ve been in Washington for many decades now—that does not represent who they are...I think that they do not share his vision. And I don’t think that they share his attitudes on these things. Have all Republicans been as courageous as they should have been in standing up and saying that? No, absolutely not. Nonetheless, when I talk about it, I say that I don’t believe that he represents the mainstream of the Party." LOL

When the reporter questions her about her work for Jesse Helms, and whether she was bothered by his racism and bigotry, she becomes highly defensive: "And one of the things I’ve tried to say to people who disagree is that disagreeing is totally fine...What I don’t welcome is having my motives questioned. What I don’t welcome is being called a racist. What I don’t welcome is people who want to excommunicate me from society because of what I think."

Reporter: "Saying this now about racial issues, how do you feel in hindsight about your work with Senator Helms?"
Pletka: "As far as I was concerned, in my work with him, he never uttered a racist statement, never betrayed a racial bias. To the contrary. So there may have been a Jesse Helms one day who did things that were wrong."
Reporter: "You know things that were wrong. This isn’t a “may.”
Pletka: "But I worked for him on South Asia and the Middle East, and I was very proud of what we accomplished."
Reporter: "I understand that. But I’m saying you must know about the guy’s career? I mean, the Civil Rights Act, the Martin Luther King holiday, his interactions with Carol Moseley Braun, his ads, his comments about South Africa and African National Congress. This stuff isn’t completely unknown to you.
Pletka: "I'm not quite sure what this has to do with my article."
Reporter: "You said that you were opposed to racism and all its forms. And I was just asking whether you had—"
Pletka: "Are you questioning whether I'm opposed to racism and all its forms?"
Reporter: "I was questioning whether someone who is opposed to racism in all its forms has any second thoughts about Jesse Helms. Yes, that’s what I was asking."
Pletka: "Interesting question...I’m assuming you think that it’s fair that I won’t answer certain questions, because you seem to want to trap me and discredit my views. So I’m just going to leave this topic alone, if that’s O.K." (LOL)

Link: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-a-never-trumper-changed-her-mind
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:eek:

Imagine still being convinced, in 2020, that Trump does not represent the Republican party.
 
avalon said:
:eek:

Imagine still being convinced, in 2020, that Trump does not represent the Republican party.
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What's really interesting is that Helms in many ways was a precursor to Trump, both in his public style and personality and in his views towards many different minorities. Yet she insists that Trump doesn't represent the mainstream of the party, even though she proudly worked for a guy who paved the way for someone like Trump to become POTUS. She's either clueless or just willfully ignorant.
 
Or just a piece of shit that doesn’t care about “other” people. I recognize that isn’t inconsistent with willfully ignorant.
 
Ongoing US GOP Debacle Thread: Embracing Trumpism/White Supremacy

She doesn’t want to welcome people who want to excommunicate her from society for what she thinks about excommunicating people for the color of their skin.

Yet another example of someone afraid of “cancel culture” because she can’t handle people disagreeing with her shitty opinions.
 
Many in the gop can no longer sweep away questions of trump's racism, incompetence, corruption. They like the outcomes. They support it. Some may feel uncomfortable with their self realization of who or what they thought they were is not who they actually are. Its become increasingly difficult to justify so they are making their pivot directly in to the "i don't like it (yes you do) but the dems are so much worse and that gives me no other option.

Just own it. Just say you don't want brown people to be equal. You don't want more for this country if it means systemic change that will benefit everyone in the long and short term.
 
"Hey, I'm not a racist, and I oppose racism, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut ... "

Yeah, we know how that one goes.
 
deaconson said:
Many in the gop can no longer sweep away questions of trump's racism, incompetence, corruption. They like the outcomes. They support it. Some may feel uncomfortable with their self realization of who or what they thought they were is not who they actually are. Its become increasingly difficult to justify so they are making their pivot directly in to the "i don't like it (yes you do) but the dems are so much worse and that gives me no other option.

Just own it. Just say you don't want brown people to be equal. You don't want more for this country if it means systemic change that will benefit everyone in the long and short term.
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Yep. And again, this was clear when Hillary said half of Trump’s supporters were deplorables and almost all of Trump supporters thought she was talking about them.
 
Yes the dangerous leftward shift by the Democrats resulting in ultra socialist Joe Biden as the nominee.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Yes the dangerous leftward shift by the Democrats resulting in ultra socialist Joe Biden as the nominee.
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Yeah, I love her argument that Trump doesn't represent the "mainstream" of the GOP, but she's so concerned that the Democratic Party's base has moved too far left and that "Biden the moderate" has just disappeared and morphed into this supporter of radical far-left ideas. In other words, AOC and the other members of the Squad are running the Democratic Party and telling poor Joe what to do, but Trump really has nothing to do with the GOP. It's almost breathtaking in its dishonesty and disingenuousness.
 
Highland Deac said:
Yeah, I love her argument that Trump doesn't represent the "mainstream" of the GOP, but she's so concerned that the Democratic Party's base has moved too far left and that "Biden the moderate" has just disappeared and morphed into this supporter of radical far-left ideas. In other words, AOC and the other members of the Squad are running the Democratic Party and telling poor Joe what to do, but Trump really has nothing to do with the GOP. It's almost breathtaking in its dishonesty and disingenuousness.
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To be fair, Biden sat back and let a Black, Muslim, Socialist from Kenya lead the Dem party for 8 years, it is completely reasonable to believe that Biden is also letting a brown, atheist, communist, WOMAN from Mexico secretly run the party now.
 
Looks like white supremacy is fully endorsed now by the Dem nominee for president.

Must be liberating for the leader of the Dem party to come clean and embrace his party's historic roots out in the open.

EihuIeJXkAM4g34
 
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Colonel Angus said:
Looks like white supremacy is fully endorsed now by the Dem nominee for president.

Must be liberating for the leader of the Dem party to come clean and embrace its party's historic roots out in the open.

EihuIeJXkAM4g34
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do you have the full video? most of the right winger versions are them doing poses in the background of photos.
 
Colonel Angus said:
Looks like white supremacy is fully endorsed now by the Dem nominee for president.

Must be liberating for the leader of the Dem party to come clean and embrace its party's historic roots out in the open.

EihuIeJXkAM4g34
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History is not taught! The first 23 black congressman were all Republican!
 
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