wakephan09
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i really, really, don't want to squabble with you RJ. I'm trying to talk shit to lectro at the moment.
Sort of, but not to the degree people seem to think. The advancement of science and technology was fundamentally Christian (and Islamic). The Christian and Islamic middle ages responsible for the foundation of the modern university, early articulation of modern scientific principles, and the translation of Classical knowledge to the west.
The Fox opinion page has an editorial on the "lessons" of Kavanaugh's victory that's pretty telling, albeit unintentionally I'm sure. Some guy named Wayne Allyn Root effusively praises Trump and the GOP for their endless winning. He writes that Trump's score so far in his presidency is "Trump 100, Democrats 0", and praises Trump for "teaching us all lessons about #WINNING...it's all about your ability to bare knuckles brawl. Winning isn't about brains, or IQ, or brilliant ideas, or unique strategy." No, "winning is all about being a relentless fighter, it's all about who wants it more. Trump always wants it more."
He just goes on and on like a Fox version of lectro, but I thought there were three very telling things about his little celebratory rant: He never says that Kavanaugh was innocent of the sexual assault, or that Ford was lying. It's not even a factor in his "lessons." What mattered was that Kavanaugh won, not that he was innocent. Morality doesn't even factor into his lessons, it's about the endless winning. Second, he admits in the passage above that winning isn't about having the better ideas or smarter candidates, it's all about being tougher and meaner and more ruthless than your enemies and doing whatever it takes to win, even if it means getting into the gutter. That's certainly an odd attitude to have in a supposedly civilized democracy, in a Supreme Court hearing, not a war. Third, he praises the GOP for adopting Trump's style and claims that the GOP has "always been the party of wimps", but says that even Collins has now adopted Trump's win-at-all costs attitude. He also gives a backhanded slap to Kavanaugh by claiming that before the hearings Kavanaugh was a "wimpy, middle-aged judge from Yale" who didn't have it in him to fight dirty, but he learned how to be a man and fight like one from Trump. So, before the hearings Kavanaugh was just another brainy elitist, but now he's a Real American because he's a brawler like Trump.
So this is what the GOP has become under Trump: a party that only cares about winning and doesn't care at all about the methods or tactics that are used to achieve it, that openly celebrates bullying, brawling, and using whatever it takes to win, and clearly doesn't care about the morals or character of the people who are leading the party, as long as they're seen as "winners". Who cares if Kavanaugh is guilty of sexual assault or lying in his testimony? That's for wimps to care about. Winners just win and ignore that stuff. This is what Democrats in government and in society as a whole are now up against. How they respond to this challenge may well determine the very future of our democracy.
Sort of, but not to the degree people seem to think. The advancement of science and technology was fundamentally Christian (and Islamic). The Christian and Islamic middle ages responsible for the foundation of the modern university, early articulation of modern scientific principles, and the translation of Classical knowledge to the west.
The reason Trumpublicans proudly win is the very thing that makes Democrats evil.
Am I the only one around here who sees the deranged hypocrisy of rjk supporting court packing, the tool kit of the autocrat?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...dr-roosevelt-new-deal-democrats-supreme-court
Yeah, the double standard on this is something. Let a Democrat get angry or rant in public like Graham or Kavanaugh did, and Fox News and the GOP goes ape shit. If Dr. Ford had done what Kavanaugh did in her opening statement, she would have been dismissed as a crazy woman from that point on. If Obama from 2011 to 2016 had given a single rant, or held a single rally, like Trump has done consistently for two years, then he would likely have been brought up for impeachment by House Republicans. I remember watching NBC's Meet the Press about three or four months into Trump's Presidency, back when people were still shocked by his behavior and tweets and speeches and so forth, and a Republican woman on their roundtable pretty much said that Democrats just needed to ignore Trump's behavior and be "the adults in the room". So of course there's been a double standard from the moment Trump has taken office, and it's definitely hurting the Dems.
ETA: Politico just posted an article about this very topic. It appears that some Democrats are finally starting to awaken to the fact that pretending it's still the 1980s politically and trying to cut deals and play nice with the GOP isn't working out very well. Link: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/07/kavanaugh-confirmation-democrats-anger-221089
And it’s all a sport in real life too.
Yeah, the double standard on this is something. Let a Democrat get angry or rant in public like Graham or Kavanaugh did, and Fox News and the GOP goes ape shit. If Dr. Ford had done what Kavanaugh did in her opening statement, she would have been dismissed as a crazy woman from that point on. If Obama from 2011 to 2016 had given a single rant, or held a single rally, like Trump has done consistently for two years, then he would likely have been brought up for impeachment by House Republicans. I remember watching NBC's Meet the Press about three or four months into Trump's Presidency, back when people were still shocked by his behavior and tweets and speeches and so forth, and a Republican woman on their roundtable pretty much said that Democrats just needed to ignore Trump's behavior and be "the adults in the room". So of course there's been a double standard from the moment Trump has taken office, and it's definitely hurting the Dems.
ETA: Politico just posted an article about this very topic. It appears that some Democrats are finally starting to awaken to the fact that pretending it's still the 1980s politically and trying to cut deals and play nice with the GOP isn't working out very well. Link: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/07/kavanaugh-confirmation-democrats-anger-221089
Lol.
It’s almost like people don’t understand what “checks and balances” actually means.
Do conservatives think that they can just crap over Democratic norms and tear apart the fabric of this nation and that there won't be repercussions? They are fighting against demographics, and the Democrats aren't going to forget.
That article doesn’t really offer much. What it doesn’t address is that many Democrats would have deserted the party if they didn’t force out Franken. And many Republicans would have deserted the party if they didn’t force through Kavanaugh. This isn’t a difference in tactics. This is a difference in basic values.
Republicans use Democrat values against us. The only way to stop that is to gain power and use it to force Republicans to operate by the same values.
Something about this time seems different.