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Republicans for POTUS, 2016 Edition

Haven't read this yet. Everything else I've read suggests Walker is a ticking time bomb and the GOP is in real trouble if they coalesce around him instead of allowing time for him show how unattractive he will be in a general election. Of course the GOP will be in a hurry because the Dems foolishly have only one candidate.
 
How anyone could vote for a republican after CPAC is beyond me. That is examples 1-1000 of why the Republican Party is so screwed.
 
bobknightfan said:
....and the GOP is in trouble if that happens, too.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/scott-walker-gods-gift-to-the-democratic-party-20150227
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This is a great passage.

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And the sad fact is, you can probably win the Republican Party nomination doing things like comparing unionized state workers to ISIS, or hinting that the president hates America.

The entire narrative of modern conservative politics casts the United States as a fast-disappearing Eden of freedom and democracy that's under siege both here and abroad, surrounded by a constellation of enemies united (for some never-fully-explained reason) in their passionate hatred for the simple, God-fearing, freedom-loving American.

It's not just terrorists who hate us for our freedom, but lefty college professors, dilettante Hollywood actors, undocumented immigrants sucking up tax dollars in the form of entitlements, Al Sharpton, Jonathan Gruber, feminists, environmentalists who want to forcibly abort babies to keep more room free for trees, scientists who think global warming is real, the Manchurian President Barack Hussein Obama, etc.



Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...o-the-democratic-party-20150227#ixzz3T9Vd36qK
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook
 
SkinsNDeacs said:
How anyone could vote for a republican after CPAC is beyond me. That is examples 1-1000 of why the Republican Party is so screwed.
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There are a lot of people who fear. Fear terrorism, fear change, fear crime, fear those who are different, fear whatever. The Republican Party gives them language for their fear and people to blame.

Great summary of Walker here:

cott Walker as a political performer is pretty uninspiring. He doesn't have George Bush's pretzel-mouthed Texas charm or Sarah Palin's hockey Mom magnetism. He can't fall back on an ethnic American dream parable like the one Marco Rubio can run on. He's just a doughy, finger-pointing white guy of the type the Republican Party has been churning out to fill state assembly seats or run in back-bench congressional districts seemingly since the beginning of time. He's exactly the kind of politician the modern Democratic Party is set up to beat.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...o-the-democratic-party-20150227#ixzz3T9ZsZB97
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

In 2008, most of us would have thought it possible, maybe even likely that Republicans would have a prominent minority or female candidate at the forefront going into 2012 or at least 2016. Instead, the party is moving more toward angry white men because of that fear.
 
Milhouse said:
yay team!
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Not sure what that means. I just think Christie is best pub candidate. I am hopeful that other pubs see that before this is done. He is a very moderate but strong leader. Would much rather have him in power than a guy like Walker or definitely any of the further right candidates. Don't really care to get to know Bush because I won't vote for either him or hillary out of principle.

If that makes me "yay team" or whatever that means then I guess I am guilty. Perhaps that is my disconnect with a lot of the liberals on this board. Yall think this is a zero sum game where every win by a republican takes something away from the Democratic Party. I prefer just to attempt to view it under what I feel is best regardless of party which allows me to cross the aisle frequently to vote.

Yay team!
 
Wrangor said:
Not sure what that means. I just think Christie is best pub candidate. I am hopeful that other pubs see that before this is done. He is a very moderate but strong leader. Would much rather have him in power than a guy like Walker or definitely any of the further right candidates. Don't really care to get to know Bush because I won't vote for either him or hillary out of principle.

If that makes me "yay team" or whatever that means then I guess I am guilty. Perhaps that is my disconnect with a lot of the liberals on this board. Yall think this is a zero sum game where every win by a republican takes something away from the Democratic Party. I prefer just to attempt to view it under what I feel is best regardless of party which allows me to cross the aisle frequently to vote.

Yay team!
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"Best pub candidate" not "best candidate"

Yay team!
 
There were a bunch of clowns at CPAC who have no business running for president but are widely embraced by the current GOP. 15 years ago people like Collin Powell, Huntsman, and Mitch Daniels would have had good chances to win the nomination and a generally election. Now they're despised and rejected by the GOP base. Not impressed/excited by anyone currently in the race, including Hillary.
 
Wrangor said:
Not sure what that means. I just think Christie is best pub candidate. I am hopeful that other pubs see that before this is done. He is a very moderate but strong leader. Would much rather have him in power than a guy like Walker or definitely any of the further right candidates. Don't really care to get to know Bush because I won't vote for either him or hillary out of principle.

If that makes me "yay team" or whatever that means then I guess I am guilty. Perhaps that is my disconnect with a lot of the liberals on this board. Yall think this is a zero sum game where every win by a republican takes something away from the Democratic Party. I prefer just to attempt to view it under what I feel is best regardless of party which allows me to cross the aisle frequently to vote.

Yay team!
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laughably defensive for no particular reason.


you just overreacted to a milhouse post. perhaps you need to take a time out and reevaluate some things?
 
FuckmouthedRube said:
There were a bunch of clowns at CPAC who have no business running for president but are widely embraced by the current GOP. 15 years ago people like Collin Powell, Huntsman, and Mitch Daniels would have had good chances to win the nomination and a generally election. Now they're despised and rejected by the GOP base. Not impressed/excited by anyone currently in the race, including Hillary.
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I like Jim Webb but he doesn't have a chance in hell.
 
My favorite part is he implied that Milhouse was part of the liberal masses on this board.
 
vadimivich said:
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That picture alone should be enough to scare Americans of where the crowd at CPAC wants to push the country. The US has so far managed to miss the wave of vitriolic right wing pseudo-Fascism which is rising in Europe via parties like UKIP (or FPO here in Austria, Front National in France, AfD in Germany, etc). Inviting these kinds of people to visit and speak at the US is frankly disgusting.
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So now Euroscepticism and social conservatism is tantamount to "pseudo-fascism"? Right wing? Sure. But fascist? That's just as dumb as calling Labour or Respect "pseudo-Communist". I doubt you were biting your nails when George Galloway was invited by Democrats to testify in front of Congress. Denigrating those you disagree with by labeling them with loaded terms is always fun, granted, but save it for the BNP.
 
TR1982 said:
So now Euroscepticism and social conservatism is tantamount to "pseudo-fascism"? Right wing? Sure. But fascist? That's just as dumb as calling Labour or Respect "pseudo-Communist". I doubt you were biting your nails when George Galloway was invited by Democrats to testify in front of Congress. Denigrating those you disagree with by labeling them with loaded terms is always fun, granted, but save it for the BNP.
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I'm 98% certain to what vad is going to say in response, but I want to give him the glory.


Nice to see you back, TR. Sad you haven't changed politics.
 
deacvision7 said:
I'm 98% certain to what vad is going to say in response, but I want to give him the glory.


Nice to see you back, TR. Sad you haven't changed politics.
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I'm probably going to find it tougher to stay away now that there's a reason to watch Wake sports again. Basking in the glow of victory is what sucked me in tonight, probably against my better judgment. I always had fun talking politics on here, but it seemed like the general tone of this board was getting/has gotten more and more shrill. I was as guilty as anyone else, to be fair.

As far as this topic goes, don't get me wrong, I have no love for UKIP or any Eurosceptic party. European unity is incredibly important in an increasingly unstable world, and the prospect of a Greek exit from the Eurozone, not to mention the rise of the aforementioned nationalist parties, are a threat to one of the most positive international developments of the last century. So I'm not just defending UKIP because Nigel Farage spoke at CPAC. I just think it's a bit of a double standard to throw out terms like "pseudo-fascist" when discussing what is, when considering the entire world spectrum of political beliefs, a relatively moderate and benign party, especially considering the fact that most of you on here react with predictable disdain for those who characterize (inaccurately, I will say) President Obama as a socialist. Terms like "fascist" and "communist" carry a lot of baggage, and it certainly doesn't contribute positively to political discourse to characterize those you don't agree with as one or the other just for the shock value, especially when, by any reasonable standard, it just isn't accurate.
 
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Don't take my word for it - the guy who founded the party has called the current party "fascistic". Farage was accused of singing Hitler Youth songs in school as far back as 1981, and the party still contains a large number of former National Front members (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-30603121). Not only that, but the bedfellows they keep are a far seedier sort - Front National, FPÖ, AfP, Flemish Interest, etc. These parties barely even try to hide their fascist roots (FPÖ in particular) ... (http://cep.rhul.ac.uk/cep-blog/2012...h-marine-le-pen-and-the-austrian-freedom.html)

The idea that parties such as UKIP are "moderate" or "benign" is extremely dangerous. They are the scaly vestiges of the European nationalist right wing that was buried in the late 40s but has managed to crawl its way out of the gutter to resurface again - telling the same lies and pandering to the same fears.

'However, quite clearly UKIP nowadays is led by morons who have no policies and are fascistic and the chickens are coming home to roost.'
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(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-man-FOUNDED-anti-EU-party-20-years-ago.html)
 
Again - let's just let this set in. CPAC invited a man to speak who his teachers were so concerned about his racist and fascist views that they wrote the headmaster in great detail and attempted to have him expelled: http://www.channel4.com/news/nigel-farage-ukip-letter-school-concerns-racism-fascism (the whole letter is there, it's fucking damning)

Simply sharing the same stage with filth such as Farage is shocking, and it's a scary show of just how far off the reservation the right wing of the Republican party is right now.
 
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