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Republicans for POTUS, 2016 Edition

myDeaconmyhand said:
Exactly.
Males having sex with men doesn't make them gay, and males having sex with a woman doesn't make them straight, just like orgasming during rape doesn't make it consensual.
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Some former Pub senate candidates may disagree with you.
 
but junebug's question (and Carsons' opinion) are about men turning into gay people, as in "people are now gay when before they were straight"

not "how many guys have sex in prison"
 
What in the hell is going on on this thread? What Ben Carson said was ridiculous but is PH agreeing with him? I don't understand.

If you lock away millions of men with only other men and some of them have sex, consensual or otherwise, they have become gay? Is that the gist?
 
ImTheCaptain said:
So, do you agree with Ben Carson on this or no?
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I have no idea if people who identified as straight before prison who engage in gay sex in prison are more likely to identify as gay when they leave.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
but junebug's question (and Carsons' opinion) are about men turning into gay people, as in "people are now gay when before they were straight"

not "how many guys have sex in prison"
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I wouldn't trust the self reports from a bunch of recent long term prison inmates, or Ben Carson, to accurately label and gauge sexual orientation. Along with that problem, sexual orientation is more accurately described on a spectrum, which introduces a host of new variables making such a study very difficult.
 
PhDeac said:
I have no idea if people who identified as straight before prison who engage in gay sex in prison are more likely to identify as gay when they leave.
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so yes, in the back of your mind you think that prison can turn people gay
 
PhDeac said:
Sure. But then you're saying gay men and straight men make choices whether or not they engage in gay sex.
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Ugg. Ph is veering dangerously close to "Gay conversion therapy" territory.
 
When people admit to having had sex in prison, the near-guaranteed followup sentence is "but that doesn't mean I'm gay."

What makes the commentary so offensive is not just the overtly stated opinion that people are all born straight and then choose to turn gay, it's that regardless of whether people identify as being gay or straight, doing "gay stuff" in prison or in any other situation where you choose to participate is what makes you gay.

There's about a 95% chance this guy has had homosexual experiences at some point in his past.
 
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some shithead guy, early 30s, pulled out in front of me while on a cellphone in a shitty toyota corolla yesterday. ben carson 2016 bumper sticker
 
Idk what's going on in this thread but i can't believe this is even a question or an issue.

People have sex in prison with people of the same gender because it's the only option other than no sex at all. Do some of these people have homosexual tendencies before prison? Probably - just like the rest of the population has a percentage of people that have had tendencies to engage in homosexual activities. Does the power dynamic play a part in all this in prison? Definitely. Does prison "turn people gay" or does it "result in more people 'being gay' after they leave prison?" Who fucking cares and quite frankly just asking the question to me is a huge WTF moment in 2015. This is literally so far down the list of a topic anybody should care about (whether or not prison tends to make people "gay" when they leave) that I can't even believe I read two pages on a Wake message board about it. The real question and focus should be on how to avoid prisons from being areas where nonconsensual sex is the norm.
 
Carson diving into the topic seems to indicate that he believes that being gay is an absolute option and that he thinks turning gay is a major problem. Otherwise why would he possibly care who was gay after prison?

There's never been a more apt time to say it but it's only gay if you're gay.
 
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