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Star Wars thread (Ahsoka)

People are complaining about this.

The rag tag group called for help last movie. No one came because they were scared. Folk-hero-jedi shows up and defies the first order. The rebels escape. The rebels wreck casino world and again defy the first order.

Fast forward a year and lando and chewie (rather than a radio blast) hit up major systems and they come. Don't know why people think this is a plot hole. There were certainly others.
 
deaconson said:
People are complaining about this.

The rag tag group called for help last movie. No one came because they were scared. Folk-hero-jedi shows up and defies the first order. The rebels escape. The rebels wreck casino world and again defy the first order.

Fast forward a year and lando and chewie (rather than a radio blast) hit up major systems and they come. Don't know why people think this is a plot hole. There were certainly others.
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look, there is a metric shit tonne of things to complain about in this movie

that ain't one of em
 
Deacfreak07 said:
I think an Avengers model would be really sweet. The highlight of the movie was definitely Lando and Chewie’s arrival as telegraphed as it was. How sweet would it be with some familiar faces from minor films like in End Game?
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Oddly enough, that scene was pretty much the scene in Endgame where everybody shows up at the end. Look! All hope is lost! Psych!

And that little trick was very annoying in this movie. It’s as if they didn’t learn from Carrie Poppins.

Spoilers below. Not sure the tag will work and I only use Tapatalk anymore for these boards.

Not just one, but four instances in this movie (5 if you count the above). Chewy, C3P0, Kylo, and Rey. I can forgive the last two considering how they reciprocate, the theme of redemption, etc.

But how cheap to employ that trick multiple times.

And then “Rey, I have to tell you something!” Like he’s going to confess his love, and then it never does come out what he meant to say so it’s irrelevant, plus they seemingly hook him up with the other black chick in the universe.

The Harry Potter shit. Oh look, it’s a giant snake! Oh look, Harry, Ron, and Hermione are searching for the Horcrux again, only in outer space!

The lesbian kiss at the end. Thank you news outlets for spoiling that even though I saw the film at 930am Friday. Again irrelevant to the plot and thrown in there after two and a half hours and nine movies (more if we count the standalone films) for no other purpose than to patronize.

After 3 times saving the world, Poe still can’t get lucky, even with the chick who looked like Ultraman. Guess he’s the embodiment of toxic masculinity. Granted, Keri Russell May be out of his league.
 
hey JJ, WHAT THE FUCK DID FINN HAVE TO TELL REY

I mean I guess we can assume it's that he's force sensitive, but why the fuck couldn't he have said that with Poe around? and WHY MAKE THE VIEWER GUESS THAT, OF ALL THINGS, WHEN YOU SPOONFEED EVERY OTHER PIECE OF EXPOSITION IN THE FILM

just lazy fucking screenwriting to reference that TWICE and then never pay it off

honestly, the context made it seem like he was going to confess his love for her, but that doesn't make any fucking sense plotwise and they never showed that sorta vibe off before
 
Finn and Poe getting together at the end felt more earned than anything else.
 
Pretty sure they paid it off when he said "it's a feeling" or whatever the wording.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
Finn and Poe getting together at the end felt more earned than anything else.
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edit: oops, misread that

Yeah, there's a p vocal contingent of fans who wanted that. I never got that vibe from them but this screenplay was definitely teasing it out
 
hey, the space snake was sort of wild! I, uh, guess that it can reason?

I mean for you to go with that scene, one of two things have to be true: either the snake sees AND UNDERSTANDS that Rey healed it and is like "okay, cool you're a friend", or Rey is using force powers on top of the force heal, which the movie never shows us, to get the snake to fuck off

(this is absolutely a p petty nitpick, but fuck it)
 
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It's not a snake. It's an alien we know nothing about.

Don't overthink it. Do you have kids? My 10 and 7 yo loved it and it was a ton of fun to watch them enjoy it.
 
the biggest real complaint I have with the movie is: huh, Abrams sure did seem terrified of, like, actually ending any character's arc!

Chewie is the most obvious example here-- letting him die in that scene would have been a heroically tragic, unexpected, and (most importantly) interesting choice that would have neatly ended his arc in the trilogy and helped to develop Rey as she struggled with her conflict. It would have taken some slight tweaking (ideally letting Chewie be more successful in alerting/protecting Rey there), but easily doable and still would maintain the surprise that early in the film. Instead, we get an incredibly cheap 30 second fake-out (which almost reads as Abrams comforting the audience with "it's okay, he's alive, see") by way of an incredibly bullshit explanation (it was a different ship!), even though the establishing shots all clearly only showed one ship. HEY JJ, IT'S NOT TRICKERY IF YOU'RE NOT EVEN SHOWING YOUR AUDIENCE THE START STATE. Just incredibly lazy and needlessly manipulative screenwriting there.

The C3P0 thing might be even worse? Like you have a character who has been used almost exclusively for comic relief and whose signature character trait is cowardice, and you go through great pains to establish that he is heroically sacrificing himself, only to kinda just say... actually, never mind? Why even include the line about R2's having notoriously unreliable memory banks? That's basically a flashing red light "THIS WILL BE UNDONE" sign. What cowardly fucking bullshit. Stick to your goddamn endings, JJ.

And that was all before he somehow cheapened Finn's arc by revealing that, actually plenty of deserters fight back. Christ.
 
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deaconson said:
It's not a snake. It's an alien we know nothing about.

Don't overthink it. Do you have kids? My 10 and 7 yo loved it and it was a ton of fun to watch them enjoy it.
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it was an entertaining movie

it was incredibly poorly written. my buddy texted me after seeing it that he'd seen Transformers movies that held up better to scrutiny. can't say I disagree with him

but no, I don't have kids

edit: was trying to find this article... I think it's a pretty thoughtful distillation of the problems I had here: https://kotaku.com/well-okay-lets-talk-about-star-wars-the-rise-of-skyw-1840561224

here are the paragraphs that most resonated with me (emphasis mine):
So here we have two thoughtful Star Wars stories [The Last Jedi and Jedi: Fallen Order] that really leave you wondering, and then Rise of Skywalker comes along to say “Fuck that, we’re going back to the status quo.” It was a bad movie for many reasons—the plot holes, the whiplash pacing, the way it completely failed characters like Rose and Finn—but the worst thing about it, in my opinion, is how it decided that actually, Jedi Are Perfect. Whereas The Last Jedi stood out in its declaration that living well in the present means respecting but not unabashedly revering the past, Rise of Skywalker tells moviegoers that the past is all that matters. From the evil mastermind being Palpatine (COME ON) to the climax requiring Rey to call upon the ghosts of Jedi past, the takeaway here is that Star Wars will never change.
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Chris: Or how perhaps the Jedi-Sith duality, the idea that if a person is not perfectly good they have to become all evil to compensate, the idea that if you use the Force you either join a celibate clan of robed wizards or you join Evil Company, might be a bad idea?

But no, Skywalker slams the brakes on that and we’re back to “the Jedi finally destroy the Sith once and for all” as the conclusion. And, again, that is not per se an unsatisfying conclusion, but it is strange to append that to The Last Jedi which sought a more nuanced and human denouement to the whole thing. I think it respected Star Wars enough to ask questions about it, whereas Rise of Skywalker idolizes Star Wars too much to truly deal with it with anything other than kid gloves.
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can someone please explain to me why Rey had to be a Palpatine for this movie to work? like, you can keep basically the entire movie the same-- including Palpatine's recruitment of her, if you want to leave him tacked onto the movie for some goddamn reason-- without having them be literally blood related

that just opened things up to so many unnecessary questions that they never even bothered acknowledging, and it was yet another instance of Abrams awkwardly batting down TLJ plot points. I've heard a lot of folks saying things like "this movie was overfilled, should've been split into two," but maybe that wouldn't have been necessary if Abrams hadn't spent literally 10-20 minutes of screentime going out of his way to contradict Johnson's movie? some of those lines felt so fucking out of place (the Holdo maneuver was one in a million!!!111!!)
 
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deaconson said:
Pretty sure they paid it off when he said "it's a feeling" or whatever the wording.
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Yes. So he is force sensitive. Maybe. And logically he would want those to be his last words as he’s drowning in dirt?

Oh well. At least they weren’t, “I just wanna dance!”
 
Dang.
 
RedSoxFaithful said:
hey, the space snake was sort of wild! I, uh, guess that it can reason?

I mean for you to go with that scene, one of two things have to be true: either the snake sees AND UNDERSTANDS that Rey healed it and is like "okay, cool you're a friend", or Rey is using force powers, which the movie never shows us, to get the snake to fuck off

(this is absolutely a p petty nitpick, but fuck it)
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Disney has to plan shit better because the lead character in your headline trilogy shouldn’t be debuting a brand new Jedi power the day after your brand new hit power does it on your streaming TV service.

I watched the last half of Ep 3 on whim last week and I’m glad I did. Anybody else think it’s crazy that literally the first thing Anakin did after turning into Vader was kill the younglings yet the Emperor got his ass handed to him by two babies at least one of whom he knew was being born and at least one was “hiding” on Anakin’s home planet living with Anakin’s stepbrother and had Anakin’s last name. And then got his ass handed to him by his grand daughter.
 
I thought it was really good for what it was, a neat, tidy, satisfying ending. After thinking about it, I'm not sure there was a better way to go. Yes, fan service, and yes, reliance on the past, but it got me. Got me more than endgame emotionally, actually. Critics were a little unfair I think.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
The lesbian kiss at the end. Thank you news outlets for spoiling that even though I saw the film at 930am Friday. Again irrelevant to the plot and thrown in there after two and a half hours and nine movies (more if we count the standalone films) for no other purpose than to patronize.

After 3 times saving the world, Poe still can’t get lucky, even with the chick who looked like Ultraman. Guess he’s the embodiment of toxic masculinity. Granted, Keri Russell May be out of his league.[/SPOILER]
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And this is the [hor]crux of it for ELC. JJ goes to great lengths to please the alt righties who hated TLJ, but he's not fooling ELC. ELC saw the lesbian kiss and something that made him say "toxic masculinity" and it's game over.
 
He’s right that Keri Russell is out of Poe’s league. She’s out of a lot of people’s leagues. That was a funny bit and a nice mini lesson in consent that probably won’t trigger the incels.
 
Keri Russell is out of a lot of peoples' leagues, but Oscar Isaac? Oscar Isaac is a good looking dude.
 
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