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The 100 Best Films of the 1990's (Slant Magazine)

Sort of surprised that The Usual Suspects did not sneak into the Top 200
 
To have Three Kings rated better than Schindler's List renders any list useless.

To have Starship Troopers #20 and no Usual Suspects illustrates this group doesn't understand anything about films. No rational person can possibly say ST has vaguely comparable writing, acting or directing to Usual Suspects.

One could rate Wake #1 in basketball this year and create a thread about it. That doesn't mean rating Wake #1 is legitimate or worthy of being taken seriously.
 
Man I forgot all about a perfect world, great f'in flick. Haven't seen it in 10+ years.
 
RJKarl said:
To have Three Kings rated better than Schindler's List renders any list useless.

To have Starship Troopers #20 and no Usual Suspects illustrates this group doesn't understand anything about films. No rational person can possibly say ST has vaguely comparable writing, acting or directing to Usual Suspects.

One could rate Wake #1 in basketball this year and create a thread about it. That doesn't mean rating Wake #1 is legitimate or worthy of being taken seriously.
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Did you read any of the write ups? Did you read the justification for having ST that high? Are you familiar with Verhoeven and why his movies are so loved? Usual Suspects is good, but not everything is about plot, and acting. The plot is merely a vehicle for the director to make his commentary in, if he has any. ST is undoubtedly better directed than Usual Suspects. And Schindler's List is a very divisive movie. It's Spielberg at his most manipulative. Some love it, some hate it, so it's spot on the list is understandable.

You sound like you are just concerned with how "solid" a movie is, in the sense that it has good acting and a satisfying plot. Perhaps you should read the excerpts that justify the picks before just damning the list.
 
Between this and the bro movies thread last week decided to do an amazon run. So ridiculous how cheap you can get things

Die Hard
Tombstone
A few good men
Point Break
Cliffhanger
White men can't Jump
Phone Booth
Any Given Sunday
Body Shots
The Thin Red Line
Jurassic Park
Boiler Room
Made
Swingers
Rounders
A Perfect World
Three Kings
Donnie Brasco
Goodfellas
Heat
Casino
The Sentinel
In the Line of Fire
Disclosure
Fight Club
True Lies
Love Actually

less than $150.
 
DVDs, BluRays or mixture?

I'm terrified to do that because I will do some damage
 
WakeFanatic said:
Did you read any of the write ups? Did you read the justification for having ST that high? Are you familiar with Verhoeven and why his movies are so loved? Usual Suspects is good, but not everything is about plot, and acting. The plot is merely a vehicle for the director to make his commentary in, if he has any. ST is undoubtedly better directed than Usual Suspects. And Schindler's List is a very divisive movie. It's Spielberg at his most manipulative. Some love it, some hate it, so it's spot on the list is understandable.

You sound like you are just concerned with how "solid" a movie is, in the sense that it has good acting and a satisfying plot. Perhaps you should read the excerpts that justify the picks before just damning the list.
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I read it. Big deal. Merely subjective interpretation of an artists intention. Doing something bad on purpose doesn't make it good. I could tell you that the size and color of my shit has hidden meaning, was directly influenced by the shits taken by past film directors, and is a scathing critique of modern society and you could write 500 words about it in the New Yorker, but in the end it's still shit. Rating Starship Troopers as the 20th best film in a decade is the equivalent of voting Milwaukee's Best Ice as a great beer.
 
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myDeaconmyhand said:
I read it. Big deal. Merely subjective interpretation of an artists intention. Doing something bad on purpose doesn't make it good. I could tell you that the size and color of my shit has hidden meaning, was directly influenced by the shits taken by past film directors, and is a scathing critique of modern society and you could write 500 words about it in the New Yorker, but in the end it's still shit. Rating Starship Troopers as the 20th best film in a decade is the equivalent of voting Milwaukee's Best Ice as a great beer.
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But the Beast symbolizes the great despair felt by French peasants as they toiled in the fields for their cruel masters, yearning only to be free. Too bad you are too mainstream to realize it.
 
JDawg said:
DVDs, BluRays or mixture?

I'm terrified to do that because I will do some damage
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DVDs, don't have a blu-ray player yet. Whats worst is I've owned at least half of those movies at some point in my life, I dunno WTF happenned.
 
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myDeaconmyhand said:
I read it. Big deal. Merely subjective interpretation of an artists intention. Doing something bad on purpose doesn't make it good. I could tell you that the size and color of my shit has hidden meaning, was directly influenced by the shits taken by past film directors, and is a scathing critique of modern society and you could write 500 words about it in the New Yorker, but in the end it's still shit. Rating Starship Troopers as the 20th best film in a decade is the equivalent of voting Milwaukee's Best Ice as a great beer.
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pretentious movie snob BS.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
I read it. Big deal. Merely subjective interpretation of an artists intention. Doing something bad on purpose doesn't make it good. I could tell you that the size and color of my shit has hidden meaning, was directly influenced by the shits taken by past film directors, and is a scathing critique of modern society and you could write 500 words about it in the New Yorker, but in the end it's still shit.
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That analogy is used by by EVERYONE who wants to denigrate academic writing. ST is not a bad movie to the extent that it is unwatchable: to the contrary, it is quite watchable. It's only "bad" because Verhoeven was brave enough to buck every trend that was currently being seen in action/sci-fi films. That's what Verhoeven is, a satirist. We see what we want to see in films to an extent, but for most filmmakers the commentary is really there if we want to take the time to find it. Sorry, but you just sound like you have a problem with academic/high-minded writing when you make such a ridiculous statement like that.
 
This newfound appreciation of Starship Troopers reminds me of nba players wearing Urkel frames with no glasses in them. It's 20-something hipsters saying "you don't get it old man". Troopers and Showgirls were godawful when they were released and universally recognized as such. They are still godawful, except in the eyes of people that I can't tell if they're trolling with their irony or if they truly believe "it's so bad it's good". I dunno.
 
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WakeFanatic said:
Did you read any of the write ups? Did you read the justification for having ST that high? Are you familiar with Verhoeven and why his movies are so loved? Usual Suspects is good, but not everything is about plot, and acting. The plot is merely a vehicle for the director to make his commentary in, if he has any. ST is undoubtedly better directed than Usual Suspects. And Schindler's List is a very divisive movie. It's Spielberg at his most manipulative. Some love it, some hate it, so it's spot on the list is understandable.

You sound like you are just concerned with how "solid" a movie is, in the sense that it has good acting and a satisfying plot. Perhaps you should read the excerpts that justify the picks before just damning the list.
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People love Porky's and Police Academy, that doesn't make them good.

You can't possibly be serious in thinking ST is better directed than The Usual Suspects. To say such a thing is mind-boggling. AFI rated it the 10th best mystery ever filmed. To reach anything like such a rating in that genre, directing is absolutely critical.
 
WakeFanatic said:
That analogy is used by by EVERYONE who wants to denigrate academic writing. ST is not a bad movie to the extent that it is unwatchable: to the contrary, it is quite watchable. It's only "bad" because Verhoeven was brave enough to buck every trend that was currently being seen in action/sci-fi films. That's what Verhoeven is, a satirist. We see what we want to see in films to an extent, but for most filmmakers the commentary is really there if we want to take the time to find it. Sorry, but you just sound like you have a problem with academic/high-minded writing when you make such a ridiculous statement like that.
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I don't have a problem with academic writing, I have a problem with subjective interpretation being applied universally. I like tons of bad movies and could wax academically about them, that wouldn't make them good. This isn't the Odessa staircase scene from Battleship Potemkin being reinvented in The Untouchables. As long as the heading of that article is "Best Films of the 90's" and not "my favorite underrated films from the 90's" then I think it's a shit list.
 
DeacHead said:
This newfound appreciation of Starship Troopers reminds me of nba players wearing Urkel frames with no glasses in them. It's 20-something hipsters saying "you don't get it old man". Troopers and Showgirls were godawful when they were released and universally recognized as such. They are still godawful, except in the eyes of people that I can't tell if they're trolling with their irony or if they truly believe "it's so bad it's good". I dunno.
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It's not newfound, these movies have been praised in certain circles for a long time. Verhoeven is a very divisive director. To RJ's point, yes I think Verhoeven does better, more subtle things, and provides more biting commentary in ST than Singer does with with a pretty straightforward genre pic in Usual Suspects.
 
RJKarl said:
You are in a very, very, very tiny minority.
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Hah, I realize that, as I acknowledge that some movies on this list would go against popular opinion. Oh well, I think the justification for these movies places on the list are well thought out, and mostly deserved.
 
It's not "well thought out" to say ST is a Top 20 movie or that Showgirls is. It's more like drug induced satire.
 
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