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The Difference Between Liberalism & Leftism

So, your idea is to punish the entire nation due to Dems you don't like.

How many more civil rights will be lost is you split Dems and allow more Republicans to be elected? That is the outcome.

Jill Stein cost Hillary the election:

Her vote total/Trump Margin

MI - 150,700/11,600
PA - 142,663/68.150
WI - 30,980/18,250

The "dumbass hysterics" is by those who cried and didn't vote or voted for Jill Stein and gave the election to Donald Trump and the GOP. You can whine all you want about bad Dems (you sound EXACTLY like extreme RWers with their litmus tests), but your whining, staying home and wasted votes led to Trump, Pruitt, Gorsuch, Sessions and the rest.

The "hysterics" are on you.
 
RJKarl said:
So, your idea is to punish the entire nation due to Dems you don't like.

How many more civil rights will be lost is you split Dems and allow more Republicans to be elected? That is the outcome.

Jill Stein cost Hillary the election:

Her vote total/Trump Margin

MI - 150,700/11,600
PA - 142,663/68.150
WI - 30,980/18,250

The "dumbass hysterics" is by those who cried and didn't vote or voted for Jill Stein and gave the election to Donald Trump and the GOP. You can whine all you want about bad Dems (you sound EXACTLY like extreme RWers with their litmus tests), but your whining, staying home and wasted votes led to Trump, Pruitt, Gorsuch, Sessions and the rest.

The "hysterics" are on you.
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You seem to have a major bone to pick with people who didn't vote. I suggest you take it up with non voters - check out your local bus stop, emergency room, weekly rate motel, fast food kitchen, half way house, methadone clinic, pregnancy crisis center, food pantry. I implore you, go to those places and rant at the people there for not voting. Hell, drive down to Orange County at the humongous homeless camp on the Santa Ana river and set up shop bitching about non voters. Shame them! They deserve it!
 
WakeForestRanger said:
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maybe i imagined it, because i can't find it. my bad. I'll retract statement about Franco, but continue to use the MLK example. People celebrate a whitewashed version of MLK, and then refuse to engage in any substantive criticism of capitalism, and deny the existence of black leftists.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
ok, shame on them.
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I know you're being snarky, but it wouldnt surprise me at all for someone here to take the discussion in that direction. Its a brain disease to be this insulated. The Wake Forest bubble doesnt stop at University and Reynolda Rd apparently.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
You seem to have a major bone to pick with people who didn't vote. I suggest you take it up with non voters - check out your local bus stop, emergency room, weekly rate motel, fast food kitchen, half way house, methadone clinic, pregnancy crisis center, food pantry. I implore you, go to those places and rant at the people there for not voting. Hell, drive down to Orange County at the humongous homeless camp on the Santa Ana river and set up shop bitching about non voters. Shame them! They deserve it!
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What an asshole dick post!

Trying to lump me in with those in charge of OC government shows how little you pay attention on the boards.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
It would fucking break your alls brains to admit to yourself who it is that doesn't vote. You just need anyone to blame for Trump except for yourselves. You blame the 1.5 percent of people who voted for Jill Stein! Only 10% of homeless people vote!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/09/homelessness-us-election-2016-san-francisco-voting
National Coalition for the Homeless estimated in 2012 that “only one-tenth of unhoused persons actually exercise the right to vote”.
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Sounds like you voted for Jill Stein and don't want to take any responsibility for you and your friends doing so and electing Trump and the GOP to control Congress.
 
for the millionth time, jill stein voters did not lose the election. Hillary lost the election. Why do you absolve her and the party of any responsibility?
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Not what I said. Democratic primaries are the greatest obstacle for liberal populism in this country. Democratic primaries are overwhelming controlled by special interests and older, more conservative voters
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Because plenty of liberals don’t vote. They get pissy about one thing about liberal candidates and just don’t vote.

I’m still trying to figure out if your problem is 17 Dems who don’t vote how you want, how is replacing those 17 Dems with Republicans is better?
 
MHBDemon said:
for the millionth time, jill stein voters did not lose the election. Hillary lost the election. Why do you absolve her and the party of any responsibility?
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I have never absolved Hillary and especially her campaign, but there are other reasons as well. Hillary ran an arrogant, stupid, out of touch campaign. She had morons running her campaign that refused to do events in PA, MI, OH, WI. That was stupid.

It was beyond stupid not to blanket Western PA, OH, WI and especially MI with ads about how Trump wanted to BK the auto industry, break the unions so that he cut workers' wages and benefits. Why these ads were not ubiquitous is beyond comprehension.

All the above, does not absolve whining Bernie Bro/Jill Stein voters.

There are many things that were done wrong, by many groups.
 
MHBDemon said:
maybe i imagined it, because i can't find it. my bad. I'll retract statement about Franco, but continue to use the MLK example. People celebrate a whitewashed version of MLK, and then refuse to engage in any substantive criticism of capitalism, and deny the existence of black leftists.
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The Franco stuff doesn't matter. I didn't recognize the name and had to Google her to see who she was. Can't say that Brazilian politics comes onto my radar very much. I was just interested seeing what the discussion might have been here.

MLK is largely reduced to his "I have a dream" speech in American consciousness.

Of course there are substantive issues with capitalism. Unchecked capitalism is environmentally destructive. That's why the right's war on the EPA and environmental regulations matter. Unchecked capitalism makes accessing healthcare a serious problem. That's why pursuing some sort of universal healthcare should be a major goal. Efforts to apply capitalism to our criminal justice system created a monetary benefit to incarcerating more people. That should be corrected. Unchecked capitalism concentrates wealth in the hands of a very few. You can check that with changes to the tax code, busting monopolies and overturning the corrupting effects of Citizens United.

Those are the major issues that I see with capitalism. But they all have solutions that do not require a dramatic destruction of the current system. Maybe I'm just getting caught up in the rhetoric you all are using. But it seriously sounds like you're suggesting far more drastic changes than the ones I laid out above.
 
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WakeForestRanger said:
The Franco stuff doesn't matter. I didn't recognize the name and had to Google her to see who she was. Can't say that Brazilian politics comes onto my radar very much. I was just interested seeing what the discussion might have been here.

MLK is largely reduced to his "I have a dream" speech in American consciousness.

Of course there are substantive issues with capitalism. Unchecked capitalism is environmentally destructive. That's why the right's war on the EPA and environmental regulations matter. Unchecked capitalism makes accessing healthcare a serious problem. That's why pursuing some sort of universal healthcare should be major goal. Efforts to apply capitalism to our criminal justice created a monetary benefit to incarcerateing more people. That should b corrected. Unchecked capitalism concentrates wealth in the hands of a very few. You can check that with changes to the tax code, busting monopolies and overturning the corrupting effects of Citizens United.

Those are the major issues that I see with capitalism. But they all have solutions that do not require a dramatic destruction of the current system. Maybe I'm just getting caught up in the rhetoric you all are using. But it seriously sounds like you're suggesting far more drastic changes than the ones I laid out above.
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I'm a socialist. So, yeah, I am. How is it going trying to reform capitalism?
 
WakeForestRanger said:
Efforts to apply capitalism to our criminal justice system created a monetary benefit to incarcerating more people. That should be corrected.
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This seems to imply that nothing was broken with our criminal justice system, until "efforts to apply capitalism, created a monetary benefit to incarcerating people."

You sticking with that?
 
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