ConnorEl
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I'd actually prefer the GOP be better to Americans
Amen.
And human beings, generally.
I'd actually prefer the GOP be better to Americans
Dumping on RJ is not “being awful to each other.” Objecting to his posting style is the original bipartisan position here.
So no then. You can’t do it.
Where’s WnB when you need him?
I don’t hate you, those are your words. I do think that traditional conservatives/republicans and trumpism are one in the same now. Look at the percentage of republicans that support him (90+%). Republicans are traditionally conservative. Where am I wrong?
The above question is asked in good faith as requested.
Wait a second...you took my post seriously? That is what "dumping on RJ" would infer.
No, all I meant was that both left wing and right wing posters go on multi page arguments with you.
I do think that you asked that in good faith. I agree that a large portion of the Republican party supports Trump. I would suspect that it stemmed from Trump being the antithesis of a perceived culture of overbearing political correctness on the left. That leaves the rest of the traditional conservatives in quite a dilemma with Trump. They don't like him. In fact, some detest him. The 2020 Democratic candidates still have little policy that those folks readily get behind. So, it becomes a weird scale with the dislike of Donald Trump, and all the comes with him, on one side and a more traditionally "presidential" candidate on the left whose policy you don't support whatsoever on the other. Whether they like it or not, Trump is the figurehead of the Republican party at the moment. He is the mouthpiece. I could be very wrong, but I think that the "trumpism" movement will fade to the shadows when he's out of office.
We are in strange times. Europe is dealing with similar political polarization and the response there with Brexit and Boris Johnson, etc. make me think it's not a uniquely American phenomenon. The discourse, or lack thereof, drives a wedge father between everyone and bad actors (and actions) galvanize each side. Personally, I don't hate anyone on the left or the right. I understand why they feel the way they do and why they support their preferred policy. I recognize that people have different experiences and upbringing than me and their worldview has been shaped by that. And that's ok. We need a difference of opinion. A completely homogeneous political society is bad for America.
I think this gets fixed when we all, at a grassroots level, extend an olive branch, stop assuming bad faith from everyone on the "other side," and recognize that our opinions, no matter how deeply held, can be ill-conceived.
Agree to disagree on �trumpism� fading when he leaves office. Donald is a symptom of the issue not the cause. He was a natural progression from the tea party movement that swept the nation the last decade (where 30-40 percent of republicans identified themselves as tea partiers during Obama�s re-election year). Why would the GOP go right back to �small government� reasonable conservative politicians given the next chance when an anti-Democrat rhetoric without any realistic substantive policy easily took down the GOP primary, had widespread support in the south and Midwest, and that politician still retains 90 percent support amongst all self-identified republicans?
What evidence do we have that this will subside at all?
Fine.
I won’t assume bad faith on your part. You are probably not bad.
However, the Republican Party as it is today on the national and many local levels is operating nearly exclusively in bad faith and this is not just trump. The Senate is a disgrace, probably moreso than Trump as they could rein in most of his shit if they chose. They are doing the opposite. Why, if it’s truly just a trumpist movement they’re waiting out.
It is certainly possible that not all Republican Party actions are bad but pick nearly any major policy issue and see if you agree with where the party currently stands. Also compare what they say with what they’re actually doing. It often doesn’t line up. Lying. Bad faith.
I don’t think Trump is a racist.
I think he is a sociopathic opportunist. Someone that is ready to pray on others senses of racial biases and beliefs for his own opportunistic gains, someone that is ready to divide the nation over deep seeded hatred and I’ll will for financial and personal gains.
For the record I think it’s worse.
I do think that you asked that in good faith. I agree that a large portion of the Republican party supports Trump. I would suspect that it stemmed from Trump being the antithesis of a perceived culture of overbearing political correctness on the left. That leaves the rest of the traditional conservatives in quite a dilemma with Trump. They don't like him. In fact, some detest him. The 2020 Democratic candidates still have little policy that those folks readily get behind. So, it becomes a weird scale with the dislike of Donald Trump, and all the comes with him, on one side and a more traditionally "presidential" candidate on the left whose policy you don't support whatsoever on the other. Whether they like it or not, Trump is the figurehead of the Republican party at the moment. He is the mouthpiece. I could be very wrong, but I think that the "trumpism" movement will fade to the shadows when he's out of office.
We are in strange times. Europe is dealing with similar political polarization and the response there with Brexit and Boris Johnson, etc. make me think it's not a uniquely American phenomenon. The discourse, or lack thereof, drives a wedge father between everyone and bad actors (and actions) galvanize each side. Personally, I don't hate anyone on the left or the right. I understand why they feel the way they do and why they support their preferred policy. I recognize that people have different experiences and upbringing than me and their worldview has been shaped by that. And that's ok. We need a difference of opinion. A completely homogeneous political society is bad for America.
I think this gets fixed when we all, at a grassroots level, extend an olive branch, stop assuming bad faith from everyone on the "other side," and recognize that our opinions, no matter how deeply held, can be ill-conceived.
"Political correctness from the left" was a response to the rise of what we're seeing now from the right.
And keep in mind the right has been calling for "civility" anytime Democrats didn't hold their speech.
I do think that you asked that in good faith. I agree that a large portion of the Republican party supports Trump. I would suspect that it stemmed from Trump being the antithesis of a perceived culture of overbearing political correctness on the left. That leaves the rest of the traditional conservatives in quite a dilemma with Trump. They don't like him. In fact, some detest him. The 2020 Democratic candidates still have little policy that those folks readily get behind. So, it becomes a weird scale with the dislike of Donald Trump, and all the comes with him, on one side and a more traditionally "presidential" candidate on the left whose policy you don't support whatsoever on the other. Whether they like it or not, Trump is the figurehead of the Republican party at the moment. He is the mouthpiece. I could be very wrong, but I think that the "trumpism" movement will fade to the shadows when he's out of office.
We are in strange times. Europe is dealing with similar political polarization and the response there with Brexit and Boris Johnson, etc. make me think it's not a uniquely American phenomenon. The discourse, or lack thereof, drives a wedge father between everyone and bad actors (and actions) galvanize each side. Personally, I don't hate anyone on the left or the right. I understand why they feel the way they do and why they support their preferred policy. I recognize that people have different experiences and upbringing than me and their worldview has been shaped by that. And that's ok. We need a difference of opinion. A completely homogeneous political society is bad for America.
I think this gets fixed when we all, at a grassroots level, extend an olive branch, stop assuming bad faith from everyone on the "other side," and recognize that our opinions, no matter how deeply held, can be ill-conceived.