the official new supreme court thread - Very political

[myDeaconmyhand]

And moderates have very few policy successes. That’s the impasse.

The Democratic Party can not fail, it can only be failed. The extent of liberal self reflection ends at brushing your teeth into the bathroom mirror.

 

[Louis Gossett Jr]

And there it is, the face of politics today. And this is suppose to be an educated lot.

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You try to absolve yourself from the disasters you created by both siding something that is only one part of the political the process. You take character traits, similar to what Brasky does with the bought and paid for by corporations rants, and uses it to say see what’s the point both sides are the same. The problem is despite them having similar personality traits of wanting money and power how they attempt to arrive there is vastly different. Even if it’s as simple as never moving off the status quo, that status quo up till 4 hours ago when it comes to culture wars is a hell of a lot better than turning the clock back 70 years with more to come.

 

[ChrisL68]

The Democratic Party can not fail, it can only be failed. The extent of liberal self reflection ends at brushing your teeth into the bathroom mirror.

has the democratic party not moved left on several issues.

It's alot easier to govern when the ideological base isn't trying to "teach the party" a lesson all of the time. remarkably, the base ends up geting alot more of what they wanted when they play ball.

 

[BillBrasky]

You try to absolve yourself from the disasters you created by both siding something that is only one part of the political the process. You take character traits, similar to what Brasky does with the bought and paid for by corporations rants, and uses it to say see what’s the point both sides are the same. The problem is despite them having similar personality traits of wanting money and power how they attempt to arrive there is vastly different. Even if it’s as simple as never moving off the status quo, that status quo up till 4 hours ago when it comes to culture wars is a hell of a lot better than turning the clock back 70 years with more to come.

There’s some truth to this, but what centrists don’t understand is that nobody likes the status quo. You’re either moving one way or another politically as a nation. A side that wants to maintain the status quo will always lose. So maybe we should stop funneling all the Democratic money to status quo candidates.

 

[birdman]

We don’t vote because our choices leave us feeling dirty. The Pubs put up a vile, truly despicable man and the Dems counter with a politician with a checkered past and sense of entitlement and a worthless career politician who has no more leadership ability than my gold fish. Our ability to attract the best and brightest no longer exists and will remain that way until we pass term limits in this Country, for everyone. You get elected you stay for 6 years and then go away, all branches, executive, legislative and judicial. Finis.

So you vote for the goddamn goldfish.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

has the democratic party not moved left on several issues.

My statement was regarding political strategy, not ideological. Today of all days we should recognize that a political party of progressive college graduates isn’t quite as meaningful when it can’t even guarantee a woman’s bodily autonomy. The tent is simply too big, there is no getting around that.

You can be as performative and woke as you want to be, wear Kente cloth on the Senate floor, March in every protest, as long as your political outcomes are determined by the least progressive members of your party then you aren’t ever going to get jack shit done, and all that performance was masturbatory.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

So has the party “moved left”?

 

[MichDeac25]

We don’t vote because our choices leave us feeling dirty. The Pubs put up a vile, truly despicable man and the Dems counter with a politician with a checkered past and sense of entitlement and a worthless career politician who has no more leadership ability than my gold fish. Our ability to attract the best and brightest no longer exists and will remain that way until we pass term limits in this Country, for everyone. You get elected you stay for 6 years and then go away, all branches, executive, legislative and judicial. Finis.

I'm going to guess you didn't vote for Bill Clinton, John Kerry, or Obama either. Something was probably wrong with all of them too.

 

[wakegrrl]

My statement was regarding political strategy, not ideological. Today of all days we should recognize that a political party of progressive college graduates isn’t quite as meaningful when it can’t even guarantee a woman’s bodily autonomy. The tent is simply too big, there is no getting around that.

You can be as performative and woke as you want to be, wear Kente cloth on the Senate floor, March in every protest, as long as your political outcomes are determined by the least progressive members of your party then you aren’t ever going to get jack shit done, and all that performance was masturbatory.

The problem is that the base is not as progressive/left/liberal/woke as the Very Online people. So it leads to a disconnect when the Very Online people get upset because the base doesn't agree with them and the base thinks the VO people don't listen to them. Some of it's generational, some of it's rural/urban, plus a variety of other things.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

The problem is that the base is not as progressive/left/liberal/woke as the Very Online people. So it leads to a disconnect when the Very Online people get upset because the base doesn't agree with them and the base thinks the VO people don't listen to them. Some of it's generational, some of it's rural/urban, plus a variety of other things.

The American Democratic Party isn’t a true political party, it’s a weak opposition coalition. A political party has a cohesive ideology. We’re factions fighting amongst ourselves for resources and control. Not being outwardly racist isn’t an ideology, it’s not even a bumper sticker slogan.

 

[PhDeac]

The problem is that the base is not as progressive/left/liberal/woke as the Very Online people. So it leads to a disconnect when the Very Online people get upset because the base doesn't agree with them and the base thinks the VO people don't listen to them. Some of it's generational, some of it's rural/urban, plus a variety of other things.

The American Democratic Party isn’t a true political party, it’s a weak opposition coalition. A political party has a cohesive ideology. We’re factions fighting amongst ourselves for resources and control.

Both of these are good posts. I would argue that Democrats could develop a cohesive ideology around securing basic human rights and civil rights, but they'd rather fight amongst themselves.

 

[BillBrasky]

Both of these are good posts. I would argue that Democrats could develop a cohesive ideology around securing basic human rights and civil rights, but they'd rather fight amongst themselves.

Is gun control and abortion rights part of this cohesive ideology? Because if so, can you please tell Nancy and Big Pharma Jim to not campaign for anti-abortion, pro-NRA candidates anymore.

If the Party can’t draw a line on those two issues then what is the fucking point.

 

[wakegrrl]

Both of these are good posts. I would argue that Democrats could develop a cohesive ideology around securing basic human rights and civil rights, but they'd rather fight amongst themselves.

And I'd completely agree with you.

 

[Biff Tannen]

Both of these are good posts. I would argue that Democrats could develop a cohesive ideology around securing basic human rights and civil rights, but they'd rather fight amongst themselves.

I'm down with that as long as legalizing weed is included.

 

[wakegrrl]

The American Democratic Party isn’t a true political party, it’s a weak opposition coalition. A political party has a cohesive ideology. We’re factions fighting amongst ourselves for resources and control. Not being outwardly racist isn’t an ideology, it’s not even a bumper sticker slogan.

Which is why if we were a European country we wouldn't be one party. But the US electoral system is not in any way designed to take on more than two main parties, so a presumptive split would make things even worse. That's why you've never seen the Tea Party seriously consider splitting off from the GOP.

 

[PhDeac]

I'm down with that as long as legalizing weed is included.

Democrats should go all in on legalizing weed. It makes too much sense and would bring non-voters into the party.

 

[MichDeac25]

The American Democratic Party isn’t a true political party, it’s a weak opposition coalition. A political party has a cohesive ideology. We’re factions fighting amongst ourselves for resources and control.

This is complete bullshit. The Democratic Party the only legitimate political party. It actually offers solutions based upon actual facts and circumstances. By contrast the Republican party is a party that lives entirely by soundbytes. It's only true belief is tax cuts, at whatever cost, for whatever reason. It makes a big deal about reducing taxes from 42 to 39% like it's D-Day. Beyond that, it just stirs up moral issues to rabble rouse and get a fraction of the population to vote for them. You think all those fat cat GOP donors really cared about same sex marriage? Or abortion? Look at the dude who handed Republicans their long-sought abortion victory - Donald effing Trump, who had 3 or 4 wives and was regularly cheating on all of them. Republicans don't actually care about morals. They care about money and will use whatever tool at their disposal to get people to vote for them to get more tax cuts.

The one thing the Republican party has really figured out is that a large percentage of the population is stupid and can't understand complex solutions to complex issues. So they just repeat cliched phrases like tax cuts, personal responsibility, and crime . . . and the crowd goes wild.

- Sincerely, A Guy Who Was once A Republican

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Democrats should go all in on legalizing weed. It makes too much sense and would bring non-voters into the party.

Hard to do when you elect an 80year old white man for POTUS who spent a political career spearheading the war on drugs. I’m told that he’s the type of politician that Democratic voters trust.

 

[PhDeac]

This is complete bullshit. The Democratic Party the only legitimate political party. It actually offers solutions based upon actual facts and circumstances. By contrast the Republican party is a party that lives entirely by soundbytes. It's only true belief is tax cuts, at whatever cost, for whatever reason. It makes a big deal about reducing taxes from 42 to 39% like it's D-Day. Beyond that, it just stirs up moral issues to rabble rouse and get a fraction of the population to vote for them. You think all those fat cat GOP donors really cared about same sex marriage? Or abortion? Look at the dude who handed Republicans their long-sought abortion victory - Donald effing Trump, who had 3 or 4 wives and was regularly cheating on all of them. Republicans don't actually care about morals. They care about money and will use whatever tool at their disposal to get people to vote for them to get more tax cuts.

The one thing the Republican party has really figured out is that a large percentage of the population is stupid and can't understand complex solutions to complex issues. So they just repeat cliched phrases like tax cuts, personal responsibility, and crime . . . and the crowd goes wild.

- Sincerely, A Guy Who Was once A Republican

This is correct, but it explains why the Republicans are a largely homogeneous party with a cohesive ideology and Democrats are a collection of individuals from many backgrounds with widely divergent ideologies.

 

[deactherunner]

Which is why if we were a European country we wouldn't be one party. But the US electoral system is not in any way designed to take on more than two main parties, so a presumptive split would make things even worse. That's why you've never seen the Tea Party seriously consider splitting off from the GOP.

I've heard this, but what exactly stops this from happening? Washington (I think) didn't think we were designed for any political parties, yet here we are.