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UVA post game thoughts - venting or whatever

liveanddiedeac said:
I will say this, under either strategy, it's important that the defense doesn't allow the other team to just freely get the ball up the court and since we didn't prevent that when they inbounded the ball, I doubt we would've done it had we missed the free throw. You can make the other team have to take more time getting the ball up the court without fouling. Letting them get the inbound pass to halfcourt was where we really screwed up, had we not done that, they don't get near as good a shot and it wasn't a great look to begin with. It was a good enough look though, that shooter was able to square up.
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Wilbekin sucks defensively. He backpedaled 15 feet and let the UVA player dribble right up the court. However, to say that UVA squared up for a good shot is a massive overstatement. That was a crappy player who clearly readjusted in midair and launched a heave that happened to hit the glass and go in.

It should clearly have never come to this but UVA got really lucky on that last shot. Now, Brogdon and others got better looks on previous plays.
 
Why not call a timeout before the 2nd FT and set up a play where Crawford throws the ball hard off the backboard and have 2 of our guys behind Crawford to get the carom? Just bounce the dang ball off the top of the backboard and it has to come out to the ft line or past it
 
Could have been poor coaching. In his presser Manning specifically said that the plan was to pressure the inbounds pass and not to sag off anyone enough for a catch and shoot, so he either didn't get that point across and it was coaching or he did and it was player execution. Crawford did a great job taking away Brogdon completely which is where they were trying to throw it. So that part was certainly successful because it ended up in Hall's hands who had zero points on the night. And we had a double team waiting for him but we were slow getting over. When Hall gets to half court Brogdon has his hand up for the pass cross-court and Devin waits for a second longer than he should have to find Thompson and start closing down on him.

It's still the equivalent of us inbounding to Rondale instead of Crawford and him hitting McClinton for a contested 3 pointer. We did some things right on that play and the shot was total garbage. Brogdon from half court had a higher percentage of going in. Shit happens. The way the play went down just seems like a real stretch to blame coaching.
 
Obviously, for this team a TO, would have been beneficial to set up the defense but we didn't want UVA to have the time to plan. It was almost comical the series of events that happened, almost every player had a hand in this.

- BC - the turnover on the steal and the missed FT
- DT - two missed FT's
- Dinos - taking the ball out of bounds then giving to DT
- MW - not being anywhere near the guy receiving the half court pass
- Hudson - out of bounds when getting the in bounds pass
- The foul on DT when Dinos was taken down by the UVA player on the FT miss
- adjustment of the game clock to 4.0

All this had to happen just so UVA could take a very tough shot and have it bank in.

It probably didn't matter where that shot came from they might as well have thrown in a half court heave as well.
 
sportsnut said:
Why not call a timeout before the 2nd FT and set up a play where Crawford throws the ball hard off the backboard and have 2 of our guys behind Crawford to get the carom? Just bounce the dang ball off the top of the backboard and it has to come out to the ft line or past it
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Because rules.
 
MichDeac25 said:
Wilbekin sucks defensively. He backpedaled 15 feet and let the UVA player dribble right up the court. However, to say that UVA squared up for a good shot is a massive overstatement. That was a crappy player who clearly readjusted in midair and launched a heave that happened to hit the glass and go in.

It should clearly have never come to this but UVA got really lucky on that last shot. Now, Brogdon and others got better looks on previous plays.
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I pointed out in another post, as poorly as we played it, they still didn't get a great shot. However, the player was able to catch the ball and turn toward the basket and take a shot that wasn't a quick catch and throw.
 
I still say you miss the FT. The guy is going to have to grab the rebound and make a split second decision who to throw it to. The odds of them getting a 2 point shot off in that situation is pretty much non-existent, so the extra point is meaningless. The advantage is you force them to take possession in bounds under their own basket with the clock running.
 
ChrisL68 said:
I still say you miss the FT. The guy is going to have to grab the rebound and make a split second decision who to throw it to. The odds of them getting a 2 point shot off in that situation is pretty much non-existent, so the extra point is meaningless. The advantage is you force them to take possession in bounds under their own basket with the clock running.
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I disagree that 1 extra point is meaningless. Duke's strategy for decades in a situation with 4 or more seconds left, down by 1 or 2, has been to inbound the ball and charge to the rim. Odds are, you either get fouled (especially when you're Duke) or the defense does what we likely would have done, and gives you a free path to the basket. My guess is that is what Bennett wanted to do with Brogdon, hence why he had some rando sitting out at the 3 point line, so as not to clog up the lane.
 
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You aren't going to have time to rebound the ball with the clock going live and get it to the rim in under four seconds
 
No need to guess, Bennett said as much in his presser.
 
ChrisL68 said:
You aren't going to have time to rebound the ball with the clock going live and get it to the rim in under four seconds
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I mean, here's a girl doing it with only 0.4 seconds more than Brogdon would have had.

 
TheReff said:
Interesting in his first season Carl Tacy was 3-9 for 25%, second season 3-9 again [25%] and his third season was 2-10 [16%] for a grand total of 8-36 [22.2%]. He seemed to do pretty good for us when he got his own players like Skip Brown, Rod Griffin, Jerry Schellenberg, Frank Johnson, Alvis Rogers, Jim Johnstone, Mike Helms, Guy Morgan, Muggsy Bogues, Kenny Green, Delaney Rudd, Anthony Teachey and Danny Young. The Gentleman had an 8-4 in 76-77 and got us to the Elite 8, several 9-5's and another Elite 8 in 1984. Give Danny some time BKF. The cupboard was bare and he is restocking, just like Carl had to do.
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Good point, but Manning ain't no Carl Tacy as a game coach. Carl won the big 4 with the bad teams. DM should be able to recruit better than Tacy. Neither has much of a personality. And Tacy left the cupboard empty for Staak.
 
Virginia got lucky, but we let them get lucky. Never give a sucker an even break, it is said, and [name redacted]'s DNA still runs through parts of this team. Manning needs to learn from this as much as the players.
 
DCDeac said:
I mean, here's a girl doing it with only 0.4 seconds more than Brogdon would have had.

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Clock started a little slow. Think your best odds are to intentionally miss it with rebounders on the line. Even a slight tip of the ball or any slowing down of the play would have made it very hard to get more than a half court shot. The biggest concern would have been to avoid committing a foul.
 
You can't compare an inbound pass where the clock doesn't start until touched inbounds to having to secure a rebound and either dribble up court or spin around and throw a blind pass.
 
ChrisL68 said:
You can't compare an inbound pass where the clock doesn't start until touched inbounds to having to secure a rebound and either dribble up court or spin around and throw a blind pass.
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Bullshit. Some slow chick took 42 steps to cruise to the basket from just outside the paint with zero passes in 4.4 seconds. C'mon. Big rebounds, outlet to Brogdon, he EASILY gets to the paint in 4 seconds unless someone stops him.
 
Missing the 2nd FT is almost assuredly correct. What percentage chance are you giving us in OT if UVA hits a buzzer beater 2 at the end to force OT?

UVA is much more likely to make a 2 or a 3 off an in bounds pass than catching a contested rebound and having to turn, find an outlet, etc.
 
Coach K missed on purpose up 2 in the natty title game with 3.6. And missing up 1 is much more obvious than missing by 2 (because FG attempt is most likely a 3 anyways). This is normal shot quality.

 
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