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Wake Forest's own Tommy Elrod caught leaking football information to other teams

Hot Wheels said:
As I recall it was found by our equipment guy, but I don't know where.
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Yeah, so we don't actually know it was someone at UL trying to help us out, and that's probably why the post you were referring to has been ignored. I highly doubt anyone at that institution made an attempt to do the right thing and expose their staff as cheaters.
 
Pilchard said:
Considering that Caldwell is 56-40 in the NFL and is heading to his 4th playoff appearance in 6 years as an NFL head coach, there must be some really awful NFL head coaches.
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Sorry to pick on you, but Caldwell gets way too much shite on these boards. What Caldwell is not is a play caller, and he wasn't a great recruiter in college. But he's a very good man, and he's a good QB coach and leader. Which is why he's had some decent success in the pros. In the pros, we're used to seeing hot OCs and DCs getting HC jobs. But occasionally non-play callers get hired as HCs, like Caldwell and John Harbaugh, and they both have winning records in the NFL and are fine in their roles as long as they have good Xs and Os guys beneath them. And some of those great play callers, like Norv, never pan out as HCs. And this year especially I think Caldwell has done perhaps his best job leading a team with mediocre talent to a potential playoff spot after he lost his best player.
 
AnonymousDeac said:
I'm not sure I fully buy this but I'll at least put it out there. For the people that think it was absurd Elrod had this kind of access, think of it from the AD's perspective.

You've got a guy you trust that can also be of great value to you. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. We give you special access, you become an advocate of the university and the athletic department. It is very common for us to have people in the media we can trust will back us. It's a PR best practice. Unfortunately, we just trusted the wrong guy.
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That's a lot of back scratching to make sure a former player acts like a former player and reps the AD.

The whole "taking care of our own" component to this is worrisome.

ACCOffice said:
Tommy in Nevada?

The largest bowl bet placed at a William Hill sportsbook in Nevada as of Dec. 14: A $44,000 pop on Temple -13 versus Wake Forest in the Military Bowl on Dec. 27. Because of the big bet, which was placed Dec. 10, more money had been bet on the Military Bowl than had been bet on the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl between Alabama and Washington at William Hill.
Temple also attracted big money at the South Point sportsbook. "We took some big play on Temple," South Point sportsbook director Chris Andrews said. "Not sure how sophisticated it was, but it was big." The Military Bowl line had grown to Owls -14 at several sportsbooks as of Dec. 14.
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This is interesting although Temple -13 is a good bet.

Pilchard said:
Great post. Staying as an assistant coach when a new coach is hired is the EXCEPTION to the rule. Anyone equating it to being fired from a job is clueless. On top of that, WF actually did offer Elrod two jobs after Grobe left. WF looked after Elrod; anyone claiming that Elrod was somehow aggrieved is too stupid to be reasoned with.
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Nobody is arguing Elrod was aggrieved. People are arguing that he felt aggrieved and someone in that situation would probably feel that way. I'm not sure how that is in question.
 
scooter84 said:
Good lord, I am really losing patience with this idiotic line of thinking that several people has espoused. Stop making analogies that don't work. Stop showing your freaking ignorance of the reality of the situation. Just stop.

This wasn't like someone getting fired from a corporation. Not. at. all. This was a coaching change. When coaching changes happen at the top, most of the assistants are not typically retained. They move on and find other jobs. Sometimes they follow their old head coach to his new job, if he gets one. Other times they reach out to other coaching connections they have. Coaching is like a fraternity - coaches move around ALL THE TIME.
Elrod did not have to take the jobs at Wake. If he wanted to stay in coaching he could have done that - or at least tried. At the time it was made known that he was interested in getting out of coaching. Maybe because of the tragedy with his infant. Maybe because he decided he wasn't that great at it, who knows. In any event, the Wake community, who had rallied around him during his tragedy, rallied again and got him not 1 but 2 jobs within the family. Jobs he apparently was more than happy to take.

As for giving him access - that wasn't really an option. It is part of his job. As a team's radio analyst/color guy he is part of the team. Radio guys all over the country have the same access - tons of people with knowledge about those situations in various places have chimed in to confirm that.

People just need to face facts and stop trying to blame Wellman or Clawson or whomever. The guy did something that was unprecedented. Something that no one could have possibly predicted. There were absolutely no precautions or other actions that any reasonable person would have or could have taken to prevent this.

Somebody please make the stupidity stop!
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Unbelievable to see the stubborn allegiance to personal agendas on this board, to the extent of willful ignorance. Too much ingestion during the political season apparently.
 
I'm sure we realize that the color analyst at literally every other ACC school is a former player and alumnus of that institution, if this list is current. Is this reckless for them to "take care of their own" as well?

It's really disingenuous to act as if Wake Forest had some novel and unorthodox arrangement here, which recklessly led to its own demise. But let's keep spinning that and see how much traction it gains. I'll wait and see.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_ACC_football_announcers
 
wakelaw13 said:
Yeah, so we don't actually know it was someone at UL trying to help us out, and that's probably why the post you were referring to has been ignored. I highly doubt anyone at that institution made an attempt to do the right thing and expose their staff as cheaters.
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NM

This thread sucks
 
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ThinkingWithMyDeac said:
How many times did RJ try to refer to them as the three amigos while they were hanging out?
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Rafi said:
Thanks for sharing that. Not really new info, but very interesting to hear and see how Clawson responded. I was impressed.
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I thought it was "new" that Clawson said Wake allows more media access than any team in the ACC. The word here is that what Wake's level of access was not unusual. It is definitely new that Clawson plans to take serious measures to restrict media access. That's news.

There are a lot of loose lips out there. You don't want any info to even casually end up in the wrong hands.

Clawson is clearly dealing with a lot of personal and professional hurt. You've got to feel for the guy. And it's clear that this investigation took its toll on him and the coaching staff over the last two games. He didn't know if it was someone on his staff or even a player who was involved.
 
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PM please. said:
I'm sure we realize that the color analyst at literally every other ACC school is a former player and alumnus of that institution, if this list is current. Is this reckless for them to "take care of their own" as well?

It's really disingenuous to act as if Wake Forest had some novel and unorthodox arrangement here, which recklessly led to its own demise. But let's keep spinning that and see how much traction it gains. I'll wait and see.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_ACC_football_announcers
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Exactly. This wasn't reckless on WFU's part because literally no sane person would risk two sources of income for what is seemingly little to no reward.
 
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