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BZZ Out Rumor

Renfield said:
That would mean NO ONE from NC goes to Duke. Don't think that's right
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Out of state includes international.

Wake is 23% from NC
Duke is 11% from NC
 
bikemike62 said:
Time for another " I have a friend story"....guy I know is season ticket holder and is good friends with Skip Brown. We were discussing the bz failure and he says Skip and others in DC are not happy. Not sure what good it does but at least 1 former player isn't happy. But I'm sure there are plenty of other DC members happy with the new "culture".
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Skip is the man. I've only met him twice (presentations) but I've remembered a lot of the things he said during his presentations.
 
An avg of 592 students from the "west", that isn't really that "national." We're simply drawing more students from the Northeast. I didn't say it was bad or good (remember, I'm a damned Yankee!) but it's definitely different.

I was a huge college b'ball fan growing up but the only reason I knew about Wake was because of Carolina and Duke. Let's face it, the fewer students you draw from NC, the fewer who will give a damn about basketball.

It may only work out to a 5-10 percentage point difference, but it can make a difference between having 500 and 800-900 in the Screamin' Demons when the Deacs are just moderately competitive compared to this heaping pile of doo doo we've been for 3 years running.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Wake has a good balance of Southern charm and national representation. I would like to know the percentage of eligible high schoolers in the area who apply to Wake. I bet it's lower than people expect.
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There's recent research showing that a lot of high-achieving low-income students don't even apply to selective colleges. I think it's because the sticker price tuition scares them off.
 
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Why the Deac Not said:
the only reason I knew about Wake was because of Carolina and Duke. Let's face it, the fewer students you draw from NC, the fewer who will give a damn about basketball.
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So people only know about UNC and Duke because they have so many in-state students? Gotta be another reason...
 
The problem for Wake is that the fan base is already so small, but because we are so small we are extremely loyal. My gf and friends constantly ask me why I am watching such a shitty game, or why would I continue to support such a horrible product. It's because I went to Wake Forest, I love Wake Forest, and I want them to be good again. We are now getting in the realm where because nothing has changed in 3 years people are going to walk away and might never come back. Its not being a bad fan its where how can you support something that goes directly against your own reasoning. It's like if you support a candidate and will stick with them through thick and thin, and then one year they get caught in a sex scandal and you are like ok we can over look that, next they take bribes, but you still believe, finally they just kill a guy- you just have to walk away. If Jeff [Redacted] is retained for a fourth year Wake Forest Basketball is dead, sure maybe we win more games than we did this year but is it really any better? No because there is no hope, before we always had hope now we have none.
 
94Deac said:
So people only know about UNC and Duke because they have so many in-state students? Gotta be another reason...
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That wasn't my point. Being from NY, I didn't necessarily have a reason to know about Wake as an institution of academia. I followed ACC sports because I was a sports fan growing up. If you're from upstate NY, there aren't that many kids who know about liberal arts institutions outside of their region. I was no different. When I told old folks in my church where I was going to school, they all thought I said "Lake Forest" in Illinois! Ha ha

My real point was that there is a greater chance that a kid from NC is going to have some interest in ACC athletics by virtue of growing up with it and having it on the local TV etc. That increases the chance that a young person who matriculates to Wake will already have a rooting interest in not only ACC sports, but hopefully a working knowledge of WFU's history and such.
 
Why the Deac Not said:
That wasn't my point. Being from NY, I didn't necessarily have a reason to know about Wake as an institution of academia. I followed ACC sports because I was a sports fan growing up. If you're from upstate NY, there aren't that many kids who know about liberal arts institutions outside of their region. I was no different. When I told old folks in my church where I was going to school, they all thought I said "Lake Forest" in Illinois! Ha ha

My real point was that there is a greater chance that a kid from NC is going to have some interest in ACC athletics by virtue of growing up with it and having it on the local TV etc. That increases the chance that a young person who matriculates to Wake will already have a rooting interest in not only ACC sports, but hopefully a working knowledge of WFU's history and such.
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While I think this was true at one point, I don't think it necessarily translates to today's connected society. One of my good buddies is from Westchester, and is a big Wake fan squarely due to CP3. The more and more brackets expand, the less you need local support in order to recruit loyal fans.

Of course, this requires that we actually win games and be decent. Which requires bz being fired. Which is how this post relates to this thread. Full circle, bitches.
 
BC has a good head coach. WF does not.

Hanlon drives in, absorbs mild contact, and the whistle blows. His coach reminds the referee. Hanlon is a rookie.

CJ Harris drives in, absorbs mild contact at the JOEL, and the whistle does not blow, at least a dozen times this season, and no call. [Redacted] just stands there. No Technical Foul, no nothing. As a senior, Harris earned that whistle.
 
Meanwhile in the Führerbunker, Eva Braun (Grobie) is nervously running his fingers through Ronnie's hair, wondering when the house of cards is going to fall out from beneath his overpaid feet.
 
Why the Deac Not said:
That wasn't my point. Being from NY, I didn't necessarily have a reason to know about Wake as an institution of academia. I followed ACC sports because I was a sports fan growing up. If you're from upstate NY, there aren't that many kids who know about liberal arts institutions outside of their region. I was no different. When I told old folks in my church where I was going to school, they all thought I said "Lake Forest" in Illinois! Ha ha

My real point was that there is a greater chance that a kid from NC is going to have some interest in ACC athletics by virtue of growing up with it and having it on the local TV etc. That increases the chance that a young person who matriculates to Wake will already have a rooting interest in not only ACC sports, but hopefully a working knowledge of WFU's history and such.
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Okay well, fair enough. But when I was looking at colleges, I was certainly very well aware of my options outside of the Southeast. And never for a second cared about where the student body came from. Northwestern, Dartmouth, Tulane, Vanderbilt, Stanford, and Chicago were all on the radar.
 
94Deac said:
Okay well, fair enough. But when I was looking at colleges, I was certainly very well aware of my options outside of the Southeast. And never for a second cared about where the student body came from. Northwestern, Dartmouth, Tulane, Vanderbilt, Stanford, and Chicago were all on the radar.
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Methinks you may have had better grades and scores than me with that list! Nice job. I got wait-listed at Cornell, but I applied to Duke & UVa unsuccessfully. What the hell was I thinking?? LOL

I see where you're coming from in terms of the effort by Hatch to raise our national profile, and while there probably is a larger percentage of students who are aware of us than when I was coming of age, I agree with you when you say "boy do I miss TK Hearn!"

Lastly, then I'll shut up on this, with all other things being equal -- quality of the student, finances, well-roundedness etc. -- I simply hold the opinion that it's in Wake's best interests to accept more NC kids. Get that percentage back up to 33-35% and the alumni support will be more consistent and steady with more of those grads staying in or around NC. Numbers game.
 
It might be useful to take a look at things from the hypothetical BOT/Hatch position.
1. Ron Wellman just became chair of the NCAA men's basketball tournament selection committee.
2. He will be chair for two tournaments, an unusual situation, because the previous chair is no longer working at the school from which he was selected for the job.
3. Chair of the committee is a prestigious job and reflects well on WFU.
4. WFU is in process for purchasing the Joel and performing major renovations to it. Ron Wellman has a track record of doing well in the facilities upgrade area.
5. Firing Wellman, or putting him in the position of needing to resign by outright firing the head men's BB coach at WFU would reflect badly on them and WFU.
6. Therefore I would expect them to give him a reasonable amount of time to do what needs to be done. IMHO, that means some members of the BOT/Hatch talk very informally to RW next week, after the tournament selections are done.
7. The first week of the NCAA tournament is the busiest week. 36 games need to be played, 36 teams need to lose by Sunday, to reduce the field to 32. The committee members, RW among them, should be in attendance at some of the games.
8. Wellman then has time to come home, have a few days to officially sit down with the BOT/Hatch (his boss) and then the WFU head BB coach and discuss the results of the season in comparison with preseason goals, and decide what to do going forward:
a. Fire him
b. extend him
c. do nothing, and leave him with a very short remaining contract.

9. Thus I would not expect anything until late the week of March 25. This schedule will avoid the "too late" firing of last time, but not look like it was done in haste or panic. It will be important to the BOT/Hatch that any action was the result of a deliberate, well thought out process, not a reaction. That perception will be useful going forward.
 
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