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After 21 hours bitching, Cruz votes with Democrats

Arlington, one other thing is the primary voters are way to the right of rank and file Republicans. Christie hugging Obama and walking like bros will be used against him.
 
Cruz's buddy, Mike Lee, won in Utah because the incumbent Bob Bennett dared to work with Dem Ron Wyden on a more conservative version of Obamacare. Utah has a convention and Bennett came in third in the GOP convention. Newt won South Carolina primarily because primary voters thought Newt would give Obama the most grief in the debates. 80% of the Tea Party votes in the GOP primaries. They won't back Christie because he worked with Obama. I'd love to see Christie as the GOP nominee, but he has zero chance in Iowa and South Carolina. He has to win New Hampshire and hope that Iowa and SC split.
 
ArlingtonDeac said:
A current GOP nomination has almost nothing to do with rank-and-file voters, sadly. It's about the money-men. Can Christie win over a large portion of the GOP machine that found Romney far too weak a conservative? I have my doubts. He'll have to say the things they want him to say to be considered a "true conservative", but that stuff can't be backtracked, which loses you the middle anyway, and with the added bonus of looking weak to your own supporters. A very large chuck of the GOP wrongly believes that that's why they lost the last time out, and not because America doesn't want a hard right president or hard right policies. So Christie will be fighting a "No Romney 2.0" perception from the jump, with the GOP powerbrokers, even though that's unfair (he's a much better candidate than the empty shirt, Romney).
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You guys way over think this politics stuff. The guy you want to have a beer with has won the last 6 elections.

I've never voted Pub in my life, listened to the dude talk for about 20 minutes and I'm voting for him over Hillary.
 
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FuckmouthedRube said:
Cruz's buddy, Mike Lee, won in Utah because the incumbent Bob Bennett dared to work with Dem Ron Wyden on a more conservative version of Obamacare. Utah has a convention and Bennett came in third in the GOP convention. Newt won South Carolina primarily because primary voters thought Newt would give Obama the most grief in the debates. 80% of the Tea Party votes in the GOP primaries. They won't back Christie because he worked with Obama. I'd love to see Christie as the GOP nominee, but he has zero chance in Iowa and South Carolina. He has to win New Hampshire and hope that Iowa and SC split.
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Good luck with this. I'll eat all the crow that comes with being wrong but no way Christie doesn't win the nomination if he wants it.
 
Wrangor said:
Good luck with this. I'll eat all the crow that comes with being wrong but no way Christie doesn't win the nomination if he wants it.
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Huntsman was the best GOP general election candidate in 2012 and he didn't come close to winning a single state in the primaries. Christie's the GOP's best general election bet in 2016, but he's far from a shoo in with the wingnuts who vote in the GOP primaries. Both Huntsman and Christie are considered too moderate for the GOP base (the same pissed off true believers who blame McCain and Mitt's loses on being too moderate) and too cozy with Obama.
 
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The Rush Limbaugh/Glen Beck/Shawn Hannity crowd hate Christie. That's going to be very hard to overcome.
 
FuckmouthedRube said:
Huntsman was the best GOP general election candidate in 2012 and he didn't come close to winning a single state in the primaries. Christie's the GOP's best general election bet in 2016, but he's far from a shoo in with the wingnuts who vote in the GOP primaries. Both Huntsman and Christie are considered too moderate for the GOP base (the same pissed off true believers who blame McCain and Mitt's loses on being too moderate) and too cozy with Obama.
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Huntsman had zero national pull. He was certainly my favorite in the las election but I had no misconceptions that he was going to win. I wish he would have as I think he would have given Obama a run for his money but he was small potatoes.

I have a difficult time believing that the far right is going to run away from Christie when Mississippi rednecks are excited about him.
 
Wrangor said:
No it won't. You guys are just having a lot of wishful thinking.
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I think you're denying how radical the TP has become. Once those MS rednecks learn a little about Christie from a crowded GOP field, he won't have a chance. Look for the first TP presidential candidate. Two moderates couldn't win. It will be their time to shine and lose badly.
 
WFFaithful said:
I think you're denying how radical the TP has become. Once those MS rednecks learn a little about Christie from a crowded GOP field, he won't have a chance. Look for the first TP presidential candidate. Two moderates couldn't win. It will be their time to shine and lose badly.
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Does FOXNews like Christie? That's going to be a big hurdle if they don't.
 
That's a bad bet. If it's just Christie and one other person, he'll get 40% or more.
 
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2013/PPP_Release_National_927.pdf

Cruz leads latest poll of prospective Republican primary voters at 20%. Christie is at 20%.

Cruz, Christie, and Paul are tied at 16% among women, but Cruz gets 24% of men compared to Christie only at 11%.

Cruz got 34% of "very conservative" and Christie got 34% of "moderate" Republicans polled.
 
Im a life long dem any I would look very hard at Christie should he survive the GOP field.

Cruz may lead but everyone know he's totally unelectable. In fact everyone but Christie is unelectable. That should swY GOP voters to Christie shouldn't it?
 
jaybone said:
Im a life long dem any I would look very hard at Christie should he survive the GOP field.

Cruz may lead but everyone know he's totally unelectable. In fact everyone but Christie is unelectable. That should swY GOP voters to Christie shouldn't it?
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I will not vote for a Republican presidential candidate unless I am 100% sure that the Democrats have at least one house of Congress (See NC). I would also keep in mind the strong possibility of several Supreme Court placements.
 
Wrangor said:
No it won't. You guys are just having a lot of wishful thinking.
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Won't speak for others, but Christie is my strong preference for the 2016 GOP nominee. It's hardly wishful thinking on my part to posit that the Tea Party is too extreme to nominate Christie.
 
I was scanning for a radio station and landed on what seemed a typical conservative talk show...don't know who was the host. But he was arguing that Christie appealed to "progressives" in either party. And that the problem/danger for us is "progressives". Something about "small government" liberals and conservatives being better aligned vs the "progressives" of either party that are the true enemy/problem...and it's the latter that like Christie. So the idea some have expressed that the "conservative" pundits don't like Christie seems consistent with what I heard yesterday. I couldn't listen too long as my brain was starting to atrophy at the listening...
 
jaybone said:
Im a life long dem any I would look very hard at Christie should he survive the GOP field.

Cruz may lead but everyone know he's totally unelectable. In fact everyone but Christie is unelectable. That should swY GOP voters to Christie shouldn't it?
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Unless the GOP gets rid of Cruz. Stev King, Goumert and the other crazies, no GOP candidate can beat a Dem in 2016 due to demographics. Every time Steve King opens his racist mouth he drives Latinos and women away from the GOP.
 
I don't know. You watch the press conference where Christie shuts up his critics for nominating a Muslim to some circuit court and you get the feeling he can shut up just about anyone if given a chance.

 
FuckmouthedRube said:
Huntsman was the best GOP general election candidate in 2012 and he didn't come close to winning a single state in the primaries. Christie's the GOP's best general election bet in 2016, but he's far from a shoo in with the wingnuts who vote in the GOP primaries. Both Huntsman and Christie are considered too moderate for the GOP base (the same pissed off true believers who blame McCain and Mitt's loses on being too moderate) and too cozy with Obama.
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Huntsman was BY FAR the best GOP candidate but the one difference is Christie is a household name at this point. Huntsman wasn't.
 
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