Isaac Haas

[Wakeforest22890]

People saying in hindsight that this isn't a big loss (for basketball reasons and based on basketball play) are pretty misguided. This wasn't a 500th ranked player, he was and is consistently in the top 100. He's not really just "any big," he's a pretty solid one based on the rankings.

 

[KidA23]

I'm just going to throw this out there - the timing of these DeaconKing posts are really suspicious. Not to mention the fact that it doesn't jive at all, whatsoever, with any information out there. It sounds like some post-Clawson signing AD-leakage, if you ask me.

Plus, as CHillDeac rightfully points out - our staff was obviously not on Haas as much as they should have been because we know for a fact that they had no idea what the situation was and gave other coaches the opportunity to get down there. Information doesn't have to be relayed to our staff. Staffs are supposed to know these things. That's what they're paid to do - keep in touch with the kid, talk to his coaches, etc. Unless DeaconKing is suggesting that this whole thing is a conspiracy to have delivered him to Purdue after he verballed, I'm calling bullshit.

What a mess.

And some of y'all really suck. Like really suck. It always sucks to lose a top-75 big. I guess it's easy to comment on the state of things when you don't sit through the wreck that is Wake Forest basketball every game.

(I heart ya Strick, just couldn't resist)

 

[Strickland33]

Haas not telling us he was still talking to other schools speaks as much to the relationship he had with Rusty and Bz as it does to his character.

This.

People saying in hindsight that this isn't a big loss (for basketball reasons and based on basketball play) are pretty misguided. This wasn't a 500th ranked player, he was and is consistently in the top 100. He's not really just "any big," he's a pretty solid one based on the rankings.

It's the lube that makes the [Redacted] experience feel all the more satisfying on the way up.

 

[simosfrostyone]

This is such a Haas. Why can't we all just revel in our convincing win over Richmond like they are on TOB?

 

[DeaconSig]

What does that even mean, though? Haas was probably the second highest big on our board (depending on whether you believe we ever had a shot in hell at Leron Black) and we locked him up. For Buzz and in any recruiting year, that's a big deal.

Haas's RSCI ranking is in the same league as Antawn Scott, Vytas Danelius, Craig Dawson, Codi Miller-McIntyre, David Weaver, Trent Strickland, Carson Desrosiers,and Kevin Swinton (who was a really good recruit when we signed him).

Simply put, even if you think he's a stiff, recruiting analysts don't - not to mention the fact that he would have been better than Andre and Daniel, probably on day one, and definitely a full time starter (Viss-style) by his junior year - and he would have ranked as one of the best bigs that we've signed in the post-Prosser-era.

Go look at the history of 7 footers with RSCI ranks between 60 or so and 90. Roy Hibbert and Dieng are in that group, but there aren't a whole lot of other impact players (especially during their first few seasons) on the list. Bigs with potential are generally always over-ranked- especially 7 footers. When you have one ranked in the 70s, that means he is not likely to be very good.

As far as recruiting efforts in general, I wanted (and continue to want) a staff that can bring in at least 1 early entry candidate every 2 years along with a couple guys likely to stay (and be able to play) 4 years. Basically, what Coach Prosser and Coach Gaudio accomplished with the Ish/Williams-Teague/Johnson/Aminu classes. We have done nothing but recruit guys (with the possible exception of Miller-McIntyre, although he is not there yet) who are 4 year players. That most likely includes Mitchell, knee injury or not.

I'm not sweating the loss of a 7 foot big man ranked in the 70s because: (1) of the guys you listed, exactly 2 were upper-level ACC players by their sophomore year (and that assumes Miller-McIntyre averages 18 a game in conference as well); and (2) again the track record of guys with his rank and his height ain't that good.

And don't confuse me not sweating his loss with not being upset with our recruiting. We needed to go get another guy with roughly Thomas' skill set- rebounder, some back to the basket skill, ability to guard bigs, will run the floor. We needed to find an impact player to help carry our role players over the top. We did neither.

 

[w84it]

This made me laugh. Went back to hammer and rails, the Purdue site. There's this gem from November:

I think the plot twists now that painter has been seen there
Woo him CMP woo him

Also, what’s up with the agriculture jokes from wake forest bloggers?

by PurdueEnginerd on Nov 16, 2013 | 9:59 AM reply
ZoKnowsDefense
Wake Forest Bloggers=Duke Wannabes
Doesn’t get any lower than that

by ZoKnowsDefense on Nov 16, 2013 | 10:34 AM up reply
I am sorry
…but where does that school rank in both value and market perception? I’ll stick with my Purdue degree thank you. Another Coastal Conference degree not from Duke means little.

Purdue is an excellent school, but good God. Evidently, their worldview ends within B1G country.

Purdue has a pretty big chip on their shoulder - they're an excellent school, but mostly forgotten in the Big Ten so they have an inflated sense of self-worth and think themselves a much bigger deal than they really are. Sound like any other fans you know of?

 

[Strickland33]

Go look at the history of 7 footers with RSCI ranks between 60 or so and 90. Roy Hibbert and Dieng are in that group, but there aren't a whole lot of other impact players (especially during their first few seasons) on the list. Bigs with potential are generally always over-ranked- especially 7 footers. When you have one ranked in the 70s, that means he is not likely to be very good.

As far as recruiting efforts in general, I wanted (and continue to want) a staff that can bring in at least 1 early entry candidate every 2 years along with a couple guys likely to stay (and be able to play) 4 years. Basically, what Coach Prosser and Coach Gaudio accomplished with the Ish/Williams-Teague/Johnson/Aminu classes. We have done nothing but recruit guys (with the possible exception of Miller-McIntyre, although he is not there yet) who are 4 year players. That most likely includes Mitchell, knee injury or not.

I'm not sweating the loss of a 7 foot big man ranked in the 70s because: (1) of the guys you listed, exactly 2 were upper-level ACC players by their sophomore year (and that assumes Miller-McIntyre averages 18 a game in conference as well); and (2) again the track record of guys with his rank and his height ain't that good.

And don't confuse me not sweating his loss with not being upset with our recruiting. We needed to go get another guy with roughly Thomas' skill set- rebounder, some back to the basket skill, ability to guard bigs, will run the floor. We needed to find an impact player to help carry our role players over the top. We did neither.

we need more five-star hearts, three-star (or preferably 2-to-zero-star like Daniel, Dre, and Rondale) rankings

never again should we try to recruit a top-100 big. amirite?

 

[DeaconSig]

People saying in hindsight that this isn't a big loss (for basketball reasons and based on basketball play) are pretty misguided. This wasn't a 500th ranked player, he was and is consistently in the top 100. He's not really just "any big," he's a pretty solid one based on the rankings.

I'll put it this way. If he turns out to be a good player for Purdue- let's say he averages 10 and 7 for a winning team or more for a sucky one, I'll be the first one to come back and eat crow.

How exactly did we plan on integrating a 7 foot, 270lb guy with limited range into our offensive system?

 

[22Deac]

Meh...I think four years from now we'll be glad Haas didn't come to Wake. Especially once we put this scholarship on ice for our big time coach to handout.

 

[Strickland33]

I'll put it this way. If he turns out to be a good player for Purdue- let's say he averages 10 and 7 for a winning team or more for a sucky one, I'll be the first one to come back and eat crow.

How exactly did we plan on integrating a 7 foot, 270lb guy with limited range into our offensive system?

What system would that be, exactly? Buzz is going to be gone by 2014-2015 anyway.

 

[DeaconSig]

Go look at the history of 7 footers with RSCI ranks between 60 or so and 90. Roy Hibbert and Dieng are in that group, but there aren't a whole lot of other impact players (especially during their first few seasons) on the list. Bigs with potential are generally always over-ranked- especially 7 footers. When you have one ranked in the 70s, that means he is not likely to be very good.

As far as recruiting efforts in general, I wanted (and continue to want) a staff that can bring in at least 1 early entry candidate every 2 years along with a couple guys likely to stay (and be able to play) 4 years. Basically, what Coach Prosser and Coach Gaudio accomplished with the Ish/Williams-Teague/Johnson/Aminu classes. We have done nothing but recruit guys (with the possible exception of Miller-McIntyre, although he is not there yet) who are 4 year players. That most likely includes Mitchell, knee injury or not.

I'm not sweating the loss of a 7 foot big man ranked in the 70s because: (1) of the guys you listed, exactly 2 were upper-level ACC players by their sophomore year (and that assumes Miller-McIntyre averages 18 a game in conference as well); and (2) again the track record of guys with his rank and his height ain't that good.

And don't confuse me not sweating his loss with not being upset with our recruiting. We needed to go get another guy with roughly Thomas' skill set- rebounder, some back to the basket skill, ability to guard bigs, will run the floor. We needed to find an impact player to help carry our role players over the top. We did neither.

we need more five-star hearts, three-star (or preferably 2-to-zero-star like Daniel, Dre, and Rondale) rankings

never again should we try to recruit a top-100 big. amirite?

Where do you get 5 star hearts and not recruiting a top 100 big from my post. Are you even reading what I am writing?

 

[siff]

Let's not kid ourselves. A 7 footer in the paint would have been nice.

 

[WFcatamount22]

That story makes total sense and confirms all my beliefs about what happened.

Our staff sucks.
Other programs don't respect us.
It is incredibly easy to recruit against us.
Haas is a total douche.

 

[DeaconSig]

What system would that be, exactly? Buzz is going to be gone by 2014-2015 anyway.

Maybe system is the wrong word. A better phrase would be surrounding talent. Even if Haas turns out to be a superb back-to-the-basket player, we don't have shooters to help spread the court. Our only effective offense comes from pushing the pace, not grinding it out in the half-court.

If you trot out a lineup of Miller-McIntyre, Mitchell/Jones, McClinton/Moto/Rountree, Thomas/Cavanaugh, and Haas, how in the blue hell do we stop teams from clogging the lane? You think Haas' guy won't help off on Thomas if he gets it on the block? Are teams concerned about Thomas' mid-range game?

 

[Strickland33]

Go look at the history of 7 footers with RSCI ranks between 60 or so and 90. Roy Hibbert and Dieng are in that group, but there aren't a whole lot of other impact players (especially during their first few seasons) on the list. Bigs with potential are generally always over-ranked- especially 7 footers. When you have one ranked in the 70s, that means he is not likely to be very good.

As far as recruiting efforts in general, I wanted (and continue to want) a staff that can bring in at least 1 early entry candidate every 2 years along with a couple guys likely to stay (and be able to play) 4 years. Basically, what Coach Prosser and Coach Gaudio accomplished with the Ish/Williams-Teague/Johnson/Aminu classes. We have done nothing but recruit guys (with the possible exception of Miller-McIntyre, although he is not there yet) who are 4 year players. That most likely includes Mitchell, knee injury or not.

I'm not sweating the loss of a 7 foot big man ranked in the 70s because: (1) of the guys you listed, exactly 2 were upper-level ACC players by their sophomore year (and that assumes Miller-McIntyre averages 18 a game in conference as well); and (2) again the track record of guys with his rank and his height ain't that good.

And don't confuse me not sweating his loss with not being upset with our recruiting. We needed to go get another guy with roughly Thomas' skill set- rebounder, some back to the basket skill, ability to guard bigs, will run the floor. We needed to find an impact player to help carry our role players over the top. We did neither.

I'm calling BS, btw. First - to ID just 7-footers is ridiculous. Here's a list of some of the better big men ranked between RSCI #70-#85 between 2010-2013.

So, you're telling me that, in addition to Dieng and Hibbert, you wouldn't take Georges Niang (ISU), AJ Hammons (Purdue), JaKarr Sampson (SJU), Kadeem Jack (RU), Evan Smotrycz (UMD), Montrezl Harrell (LVille), Jonathan Holmes (UT), Julian Royal (GT), Nnanna Egwu (IU), etc.

Most of those guys were actually ranked below Isaac Haas , FWIW.

 

[pinochadeac]

That story makes total sense and confirms all my beliefs about what happened.

Our staff sucks.
Other programs don't respect us.
It is incredibly easy to recruit against us.
Haas is a total douche.

Great summary!

 

[DCDeac]

Not buying any story that puts 100% of this debacle on Haas and 0% of it on our staff. Spin city.

 

[DeaconSig]

I'm calling BS, btw. First - to ID just 7-footers is ridiculous. Here's a list of some of the better big men ranked between RSCI #70-#85 between 2010-2013.

So, you're telling me that, in addition to Dieng and Hibbert, you wouldn't take Georges Niang (ISU), AJ Hammons (Purdue), JaKarr Sampson (SJU), Kadeem Jack (RU), Evan Smotrycz (UMD), Montrezl Harrell (LVille), Jonathan Holmes (UT), Julian Royal (GT), Nnanna Egwu (IU), etc.

Most of those guys were actually ranked below Isaac Haas , FWIW.

You think Harrell and Haas have similar games? Really? How about Smotrycz? Is Kadeem Jack at 6'9 230 more comparable to Thomas or Haas? How about the 6'7 240lb Niang?
How about Julian Royal- the guy who averaged 3 a game at GT before transferring?

Egwu and Hammons are the only two guys that you have named that would be a similar player to Haas. Both are averaging around 8 and 6 (as a Jr. and Soph, respectively). And that's the best you could come up with for impact players with those rankings.

 

[ONW]

The great thing about BZ is that even when we fire him, and Wellman fucks off, we're still guaranteed to suck for three more years in BB.

 

[Fuck Your Couch]

We'll be decent with a good coach and the super 7 as juniors and seniors... the next coach has to nail the 2016 recruiting class though.