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PA Voter ID law ruled unconstitutional

jhmd2000 said:
Let me guess. You are moved to tears by the burden of a free id card every 120 months, but tens of thousands of dollars of mandatory health care under penalty of law doesn't trouble you?
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#nonsequitur #hangit
 
The bridge to nowhere makes far more sense than a state paying for IDs. At least 10-50 people per day would use the bridge. Even the AG of PA said there was never a case of voter impersonation and he didn't the likelihood of it ever happening.

State paid or semi-subsidized IDs should be an easy "NO" for fiscal conservatives. It's a waste of millions of dollars.
 
RJKarl said:
The bridge to nowhere makes far more sense than a state paying for IDs. At least 10-50 people per day would use the bridge. Even the AG of PA said there was never a case of voter impersonation and he didn't the likelihood of it ever happening.

State paid or semi-subsidized IDs should be an easy "NO" for fiscal conservatives. It's a waste of millions of dollars.
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I agree that the made-up problem of adults living without i.d. does not--in the real world where people live, drive and bank---come close to approaching these totals.
 
jhmd2000 said:
I agree that the made-up problem of adults living without i.d. does not--in the real world where people live, drive and bank---come close to approaching these totals.
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This thread is all about made-up problems, that's for sure.
 
There are clearly millions of Americans who live their daily lives without that ID. Just because some uptown white boys refuse to see this doesn't mean they have the right to demand how those millions live.
 
RJKarl said:
There are clearly millions of Americans who live their daily lives without that ID. Just because some uptown white boys refuse to see this doesn't mean they have the right to demand how those millions live.
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Right. I hate when government tells us what products we have to buy. If I could just get those uptown white boys off my back...
 
WakeandBake said:
Dude the crusade for voter ID is the most bizarre thing happening in the political debate right now. It's a solution in search of a problem. You sound like crazy people.
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You sound like the MLB players' union a few years ago. No, we don't need any PED testing because there is no problem (because we don't test for it). Nevermind that anyone who has watched one of our games can see it with their own eyes.

Anybody who goes to a poll where they just ask for a name and address before voting (especially when they can see the names of their deceased relatives still on the rolls) can see how easy it is to make stuff up. How can the AGs say there is no fraud when they have nothing in place to ascertain fraud? Requiring ID is the most basic, unobtrusive safeguard imaginable. It makes no sense why anyone would oppose it.
 
Nevermind, nothing to see here.

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so, on one hand we want everyone to have an ID - "papers, please" - just in case we have voter fraud which never happens

but on the other hand, we don't want the NSA to collect data to analyze to stop terror attacks.

which things are we supposed to be pro active about????
 
ImTheCaptain said:
so, on one hand we want everyone to have an ID - "papers, please" - just in case we have voter fraud which never happens

but on the other hand, we don't want the NSA to collect data to analyze to stop terror attacks.

which things are we supposed to be pro active about????
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Blacks not voting. Voter ID and unregistered guns both help keep that number down.
 
Down with big government! Down with national registries! Down with minorities!
 
Haha. I love that JH's "logic" involves situations not occurring unless you or somebody you know has experienced it. Certainly clarifies his position on plenty of issues. Though I am left wondering who in his life has: A) been mired in gov't subsistence for multiple generations, B) sits at home on their fat ass instead of working an available job while getting gov't help, or C) Been impersonated or impersonated somebody else for the purpose of voting. Unless you know somebody personally then I guess they don't happen.
 
Since it appears to have gone unnoticed, I will again post the fact that the expert who testified in defense of the PA voter ID law testified that at least 300,000 eligible-to-vote Pennsylvanians do not have compliant ID. That expert obviously was paid to minimize the problem and still came up with 300,000. Is that an insignificant number of citizens? There are 9,686,275 persons of voting age in PA http://www.dos.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/voter_registration_statistics/12725, so 300,000 is just over 3% of the electorate - in a closely divided swing state. I'd say that's a meaningful number of people who are being potentially disenfranchised.

Again, if PA or NC or whatever state wants to go to the time and expense to make sure all of its poor, elderly, and disabled citizens can get an ID, fine, but as the judge found in this case PA has failed to do so, and in the process is putting an unconstitutional (under the PA constitution) burden on the voting rights of at least 3% of its citizens.
 
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