Will all the Bz Outers support Wake once his is gone, or.....

[RacerDeac]

Just cheer for Wake and leave the lectures to people teaching classes.

You just cheer against Wake and leave the pu$$y to people with dicks.

No need for the $$ here on OGB little man. Also, learn to actually use the quote feature before attempting to use it to call someone out with a middle school burn.

 

[RacerDeac]

Ah. Well, whoever this one is, legit or otherwise, he's giving the usual suspects a run for their money. "Are you a coach? No? Well then don't criticize. You're not a coach so you don't know nothing." It's truly the very last cry of the pathologically desperate, clinging to whatever scraps of a shitty argument they can.

Wrangor probably takes a great deal of joy from responding to those posts.

 

[94Deac]

I am. Because I've met nearly every one of the folks responding to you. Many I've known from message boards since 1998. Hell, Kent up there started the first Wake message board.

He's not on this thread, but you never actually met lectro either. A case of chicken-shit-itis, if I recall...

 

[DeaconSig]

You aren't a better fan than anybody else. Just cheer for Wake and leave the lectures to people teaching classes.

I never claimed to be a better fan than anyone.
I'm not sure you guys aren't posers from Clempsun or NCSU...

Just cheer for Wake and leave the lectures to people teaching classes.

You just cheer against Wake and leave the pu$$y to people with dicks.

Were you so offended by the last line of my post you had to respond with two different (and I'll be generous when I say this) insults?

Settle down, sunshine.

 

[Wakeforest22890]

You guys are all playing for second in best fan rankings. I have first locked up111

 

[DirkTheDeac]

one4theroad claims to be BzOut but I have serious doubts. Maybe Bz is taking a crack at this internets thing.

 

[Azdeac]

Here's the thing. As someone said, you can't support Wake and also support Buzz. Buzz works for Wake. He is not Wake. Maybe he's a great guy IRL, but he comes across as extremely incompetent and prickly in the media (e.g., "I'm tired of talking about the road").

If and when Buzz leaves, whether I support the coach/employee of Wake who replaces him will depend on who it is, how he comes across in media and whether he wins or loses. The very important difference will be that I will (hopefully) have some hope for and interest in WFU basketball. I have none of either at the moment.

The fact that Wellman/Buzz have brought me to a place where I have to wonder whether wins are, in the long term, good or bad for Wake is an almost unforgivable breach of stewardship over the school and program that I have cared about for decades. Stated another way, the harsh criticism of Buzz and Wellman is something they earned- not something a bunch of cynical internet assholes have unfairly dumped on them. If we are cynical internet assholes, it's only because they made us that way.

Bullseye

 

[redwing42]

one4theroad claims to be BzOut but I have serious doubts. Maybe Bz is taking a crack at this internets thing.

I was thinking that earlier as well, but the join date of Sept. 2011 made me question it. However, [Redacted] did only have the 1 on the road at that point (thanks 2&2), so maybe it does fit.

 

[trickytrefo]

Here's the thing. As someone said, you can't support Wake and also support Buzz. Buzz works for Wake. He is not Wake. Maybe he's a great guy IRL, but he comes across as extremely incompetent and prickly in the media (e.g., "I'm tired of talking about the road").

If and when Buzz leaves, whether I support the coach/employee of Wake who replaces him will depend on who it is, how he comes across in media and whether he wins or loses. The very important difference will be that I will (hopefully) have some hope for and interest in WFU basketball. I have none of either at the moment.

The fact that Wellman/Buzz have brought me to a place where I have to wonder whether wins are, in the long term, good or bad for Wake is an almost unforgivable breach of stewardship over the school and program that I have cared about for decades. Stated another way, the harsh criticism of Buzz and Wellman is something they earned- not something a bunch of cynical internet assholes have unfairly dumped on them. If we are cynical internet assholes, it's only because they made us that way.

kent you are a gd genius

 

[Dino Gaudino]

Well Chaminade beat Ralph Sampson one time so I guess every game ever is "realistically winnable."

My statement was more of an indictment about how weak our remaining opponents are outside of Cuse and the two games against Duke. I'm getting nervous that this asshole will barely hit whatever total he needs to survive another season.

 

[ChrisL68]

My statement was more of an indictment about how weak our remaining opponents are outside of Cuse and the two games against Duke. I'm getting nervous that this asshole will barely hit whatever total he needs to survive another season.

I worry about it too.

 

[BabyDeac75]

My statement was more of an indictment about how weak our remaining opponents are outside of Cuse and the two games against Duke. I'm getting nervous that this asshole will barely hit whatever total he needs to survive another season.

It has gotten to the point where it is about more than just hitting a win total.

 

[2&2 Slider To Leyritz]

It has gotten to the point where it is about more than just hitting a win total.

Obviously I do not doubt your inside info, but is that an actual position or just your personal opinion?

 

[Wakeforest22890]

The schedule really isn't that weak coming down the stretch.

We have six games left against top 50 KenPom teams (four at home, two on the road) and six games left against teams outside the top 50 (three at home, three on the road).

So far we've played six conference games and four have been against top 50 KenPom teams (three road losses and a home win over UNC - who realistically isn't a top 50 team at this point) and then two against bad teams (State and VPI)

 

[wakedeac98]

Obviously I do not doubt your inside info, but is that an actual position or just your personal opinion?

I've heard this for several weeks now and have repeatedly said on multiple threads, but will say it once again on this one.

It's all about money and donations. That's the primary factor driving Hatch and the BOT.

Giving has been down for the Deacon Club for several years now. But given the new ACC TV money and Ron's initial convincing of the Moracle boys things would be ok, Wellman was given a bigger leash with [Redacted].

Over time the animosity towards [Redacted] has increased steadily, and so has the anger/apathy towards Wake Forest. The result is that overall giving has been down, and this is most glaring with the initial response to Wake Will. Much of the feedback from the fundraising efforts has been "not until [Redacted] is gone".

The powers that be were much more tolerant of [Redacted] when he was compartmentalized into just a basketball or athletic problem. However it's become very apparent over the last 6-9 months that's it's affecting so much more than that. And that's something they just can't tolerate. It's one thing for [Redacted] to go wrecking ball on the hoops program, it's another for him to torpedo the school in general.

This goes above Wellman now and at this point he has basically been told game over.

I'm sure Baby has heard similar things.

The most irritating thing to me is it took 3.5 years for the "academics" at Wake to realize and admit the profound effect that athletics has over other parts of the school.

 

[PhDeac]

I'd hesitate to call the administrators at a university the "academics."

I wish I could trust you, 98. These problems weren't heard to foresee. I don't believe they just assumed Bz wouldn't be an issue. I think it's more likely that thought we'd win under him and that would take care of itself.

Do they realize it's much more than wins and losses? The Bz era makes me think about how many other incompetent people are drawing paychecks from Wake.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

I've heard this for several weeks now and have repeatedly said on multiple threads, but will say it once again on this one.

It's all about money and donations. That's the primary factor driving Hatch and the BOT.

hell it should be for them. that's the only fucking deliverable those clowns have to look at.

wins =

bz =

 

[deaclite]

If we do get a good coach after Bz, and both football and basketball are on track then Wellman and his cronies need to go as well. Then maybe five years later I may figure Wake and me have made up.

 

[deacvision7]

If we do get a good coach after Bz, and both football and basketball are on track then Wellman and his cronies need to go as well. Then maybe five years later I may figure Wake and me have made up.

Word. Wellman is an enemy as far as I'm concerned.

 

[coredeac]

It has gotten to the point where it is about more than just hitting a win total.

Can you please expand upon this? What other factors are currently at play (i.e. player morale, big $$ pissed, Wellman on a short leash)?