SayHeyDeac's Thread For Serious Political Discourse Only--Trolls Need Not Apply

[WakeandBake]

We don't all look alike, Wake. PatMac got beat.

The theory that ballot boxes were stuffed with fraudulent votes (that went Trump/Burr/...Cooper?) is a bit of a stretch.

good man.

I hope your voter suppression efforts continue to excel and improve our democracy. Cheers

 

[knowell]

Where does the employer fit into this?

Market forces dictate what an employer pays. In a good economy the employer will need to pay more for good employees.

If someone is paying above market rates, he to needs be getting something more from the employee or he will be at a competitive disadvantage with his competitors.

 

[Deacfreak07]

Market forces dictate what an employer pays. In a good economy the employer will need to pay more for good employees.

If someone is paying above market rates, he to needs be getting something more from the employee or he will be at a competitive disadvantage with his competitors.

The economy would need to be amazing to raise the wages of frontline service employees. Like almost 0% real unemployment.

 

[jhmd2000]

good man.

I hope your voter suppression efforts continue to excel and improve our democracy. Cheers

We're just upholding the age-old family tradition of resisting the Yankee invader, such as yourself. Did you get a good turnout in Cook County of the living, or just the deceased this year?

 

[Deacfreak07]

Serious question: is it personally irresponsible to stay in a place where there are no jobs rather than moving to a place where there are jobs?

 

[birdman]

Just. Take. The. L.

Exemplary. Political. Discourse.

 

[PhDeac]

Market forces dictate what an employer pays. In a good economy the employer will need to pay more for good employees.

If someone is paying above market rates, he to needs be getting something more from the employee or he will be at a competitive disadvantage with his competitors.

So employers are just pawns being moved by the invisible hand?

Should employers then pay above market rates as an incentive to get something more from their employees?

 

[Deacfreak07]

I think I am with bkf on the minimum wage. Rather than have a floor. Set a ceiling. Cap total compensation and shareholder profit. Force employers to invest more in their companies.

 

[knowell]

So employers are just pawns being moved by the invisible hand?

Should employers then pay above market rates as an incentive to get something more from their employees?

They are players that must respond to market forces. It is often wise to pay more than the bare minimum you have to for an employee. Happy employees tend to be more productive, are more likely to be retained, and are more likely to enhance your companies reputation. Paying the bare minimum is often penny-wise and dollar foolish but some employers will not see that. An above average employee deserves above average pay for the job he is doing since he is producing on at an "above replacement" level.

 

[PhDeac]

They are players that must respond to market forces. It is often wise to pay more than the bare minimum you have to for an employee. Happy employees tend to be more productive, are more likely to be retained, and are more likely to enhance your companies reputation. Paying the bare minimum is often penny-wise and dollar foolish but some employers will not see that. An above average employee deserves above average pay for the job he is doing since he is producing on at an "above replacement" level.

So it took all that to find out that we basically agree.

So do you think part of the problem is employers aren't willing to pay above the bare minimum? Workers are doing above average work for average wages but can't get out because few employers are paying above average.

 

[knowell]

So it took all that to find out that we basically agree.

So do you think part of the problem is employers aren't willing to pay above the bare minimum? Workers are doing above average work for average wages but can't get out because few employers are paying above average.

Good employers value employees. The underpaid employees have to be willing to bolt to get what they deserve. There definitely are employers willing to pay their value.

Common ground might be easier to find if I didn't have to answer 20 questions to get there. You could just tell me what you think to begin with. Just a thought. (not that the game isn't fun)

 

[PhDeac]

One thing that needs to end yesterday is people crying about jobs to avoid paying people a decent wage.

Yesterday, I was talking to a lawyer buddy of mine who has a very successful law firm. He works 80+ hours a week. He voted for Trump although he's moved left over the years and generally embraces Bernie/Warren reforms. We were talking about the concept of livable wages. He said that he feels bad for poor people but he works very hard to earn money and he expects others to do the same. I responded that there are plenty of people who work just as hard as he does, but they have little to no chance of getting ahead getting paid minimum wage. I'd rather a business pay 8 people $12 an hour than pay 12 people $8 an hour and be more efficient. That's going to help 8 people reduce their government dependence and programs can focus on 4 people who really need it.

Good employers value employees. The underpaid employees have to be willing to bolt to get what they deserve. There definitely are employers willing to pay their value.

Common ground might be easier to find if I didn't have to answer 20 questions to get there. You could just tell me what you think to begin with. Just a thought. (not that the game isn't fun)

I did tell you what I think. I think employers should pay fewer employees more rather than pay more employees less.

You seemed to disagree then eventually you agreed.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Speaking about federal minimum wage, there may only be 3% of people who currently are paid at that rate, but that's rather arbitrary. How many people currently make less than the proposed minimum wage? I'm certain it's a much larger %

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

The point isn't that every person on minimum wage be paid more, it's that people who are working need to be paid an efficient living wage. It's not efficient for people to spend their time working and remain unable to provide for themselves, and also need government assistance.

 

[Liquid Karma]

The point isn't that every person on minimum wage be paid more, it's that people who are working need to be paid an efficient living wage. It's not efficient for people to spend their time working and remain unable to provide for themselves, and also need government assistance.

This. Want fewer people on the government dole, and more paying taxes? Raise the minimum wage to a living wage.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

And if we really want to legitimize that maxim about minimum wage jobs being meant for teenagers, we should allow employers to pay part time employees under 18 and tax dependent a lower wage.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

I'm fine with the 16yo fry cook at McDonald's making 7.75 an hour for 20 hrs a week

 

[Deacfreak07]

The point isn't that every person on minimum wage be paid more, it's that people who are working need to be paid an efficient living wage. It's not efficient for people to spend their time working and remain unable to provide for themselves, and also need government assistance.

This is where I just don't think the market can or will meet those needs. Which is why I am in favor of UBI. Let employers pay whatever the want/need to. Let us not accept poverty as an option for an American lifestyle. Subsidize labor. Don't penalize the poor for working like we currently do. Employers really shouldn't be on the hook for the cost of living. That's an unreasonable expectation.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

I think it's unreasonable for the government to subsidize labor costs. If a company or business can't afford labor costs than they die a natural death.

 

[Deacfreak07]

I think it's unreasonable for the government to subsidize labor costs. If a company or business can't afford labor costs than they die a natural death.

Why is healthcare or any cost of living a labor cost? Labor should be equivalent to the actual value of the service provided.