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Bernie Would Have Won

RJKarl said:
White Southerner's fault...and millennials for being so weak as not to show up.
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How is it white southerners fault?? Southern states with the exeption of NC were always going to be red states. It's the white people in the rustbelt that elected Trump.
 
Trump's candidacy could have been killed in the South, but white guys in rust belt had a big impact. BUT neither would have matter if millennials and Berniebros had shown up to vote like they did in 2012. It's much more on them.

My bad!! Nothing is ever the fault of millennials or Berniebros. They ALWAYS have an excuse and someone else to blame. What am I thinking?
 
Millennial voter turnout was higher in 2016 than in 2012.
 
Boomers fault, trump is a boomer, old fucks voted overwhelmingly for him, boomers fault. Like I said no debate.

Millennial voters.
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Just another in a list of boomers fucking generations to come. The greatest generations biggest Fuck up was fucking so much and birthing the boomers.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Bernie may have won the general election but he was never going to win the primary. Let's stop being dumb as a party and move on.

If we want to talk about the growing divide of the party between the minority of ideologues who refuse to "sacrifice" their own left-wing purity to avoid the GOP from putting up Donald and winning, and the more moderate/centrists who are a mix of party-devotees and just, well, not as left-wing, then let's do it. But continuing to drone on and on about the 2016 primary is not particularly helpful unless it's just used as one example in the broader discussion.

This is from someone who voted for Bernie in the primary, campaigned for him, and then voted for Hillary because she was clearly the best available option on the ballot.
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avalon said:
He had plenty of opportunity. He declared in April 2015. The California primary was in June 2016. He thought he could win, that the liberalness of CA would overtake the fact that the state is majority-minority. He lost bigly. He was a career politician from a super white state that never figured out how to communicate his message to non-white people.

As for pandering, are you forgetting his MLK ad?

BTW I didn't vote for either in the primary. I think the DNC was sketchy but that wouldn't have impacted the outcome of the primary. The biggest thing the DNC is guilty of is clearing the field for Hillary. That was infuriating.
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Two great posts.

ChrisL68 said:
The biggest problem with the Sanders campaign was that it killed any gen election enthusiasm and created great wedge issues for Trump and the Pubs.
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Sure. But that's a risk in any Dem primary for the reasons numbers stated. It was exacerbated by the small field. I can see it happening in the FL gov primary.
 
I love how everyone is still circling the wagon to figure out how Hillary lost. She lost because A) she was a shit candidate that no one at all could relate to or trust and B) because of being a shit candidate, she lost a fair election due to a fair electoral college.

And yeah, it's the millennials fault Hillary lost?? No fucking way. 90% of my friends from all different backgrounds voted for her and I'm a millennial.
 
Hillary's name recognition helped her significantly in the primaries, but hurt her significantly in the general.

ChrisL68 said:
The biggest problem with the Sanders campaign was that it killed any gen election enthusiasm and created great wedge issues for Trump and the Pubs.
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Just curious, what should Bernie have done differently to prevent this? I don't think you can fault him for trying to push Hillary after he lost. It's not like he disappeared. He tried to help her.

WFcatamount22 said:
How is it white southerners fault?? Southern states with the exeption of NC were always going to be red states. It's the white people in the rustbelt that elected Trump.
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Yeah. Only thing I can figure is RJ is including Florida as "southern"
 
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RJKarl said:
Trump's candidacy could have been killed in the South, but white guys in rust belt had a big impact. BUT neither would have matter if millennials and Berniebros had shown up to vote like they did in 2012. It's much more on them.

My bad!! Nothing is ever the fault of millennials or Berniebros. They ALWAYS have an excuse and someone else to blame. What am I thinking?
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Who specifically are you frustrated with that is posting on this thread though? Only so many Trump voters on this board. Basically all the Bernie supporters I know changed to Hillary in the general. Moon and bsf notwithstanding I think most registered Dems did.

It's 99.9% on the Clinton team for not GOTV. Direct all your anger you want at that 0.1%. I think it's instructive to the future of the party that progressive populism has something to teach the center left.
 
RJ hates how shitty his generation is that's where the defensive nature comes.
 
In terms of PA, voter turnout increased in the county where PennState is located, causing Hillary to win a county Obama very narrowly lost in 2012.

Edit: Primary votes in Centre

Bernie 10,269
Trump 10,016
Hillary 8,431
 
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And we've done this dozens of times already but isolate the 15 counties that lost the election for Hillary, the 47,000 people, and break down the age demos for the Trump voters there.
 
TownieDeac said:
Who specifically are you frustrated with that is posting on this thread though? Only so many Trump voters on this board. Basically all the Bernie supporters I know changed to Hillary in the general. Moon and bsf notwithstanding I think most registered Dems did.

It's 99.9% on the Clinton team for not GOTV. Direct all your anger you want at that 0.1%. I think it's instructive to the future of the party that progressive populism has something to teach the center left.
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Louis Gossett Jr said:
RJ hates how shitty his generation is that's where the defensive nature comes.
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Not at all...only those (read millennials) who have done nothing for themselves think that...typical...you and Townie blame everyone but yourselves.

http://time.com/247/millennials-the-me-me-me-generation/

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-the-millennial-factor-20161010-snap-story.html

Maybe this is your problem:

http://time.com/4435058/millennials-virgins-sex/

The difference between us and you is that if we saw a problem, we went and tried to fix it. You whine, blame others for it and post on social media.
 
RJKarl said:
Not at all...only those (read millennials) who have done nothing for themselves think that...typical...you and Townie blame everyone but yourselves.

http://time.com/247/millennials-the-me-me-me-generation/

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-the-millennial-factor-20161010-snap-story.html

Maybe this is your problem:

http://time.com/4435058/millennials-virgins-sex/

The difference between us and you is that if we saw a problem, we went and tried to fix it. You whine, blame others for it and post on social media.
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No RJ the difference between us and you, is that we voted 90% for clinton and you elected Trump. No other way to rationalize it.
 
Also that argument sounds like a bkf argument, another good example of the shitty boomer generation. Im pretty sure my impact on this world has already surpassed yours even at less than half your age. I mean all I would need to do would be save someone's life that goes on to write two shitty books.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
Also that argument sounds like a bkf argument, another good example of the shitty boomer generation. Im pretty sure my impact on this world has already surpassed yours even at less than half your age. I mean all I would need to do would be save someone's life that goes on to write two shitty books.
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Two??
 
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/11/dissecting-the-youth-vote/507416/

"But don’t take the American University sophomore’s comments as a sign the entire youth vote backed the former secretary of state and senator. A national exit poll suggests more young adults in 2016 than in 2012 “supported a third-party candidate, did not vote for a presidential candidate, or specifically chose not to answer this poll question,” according to the Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement (CIRCLE)."

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/14/50172...llary-clinton-the-way-they-loved-barack-obama

This shows Hillary won the millennial vote in Michigan by 5% less than Obama did; in PA by 19% less.

"In Pennsylvania, as in Iowa, Wisconsin and Ohio, Trump seems to have done marginally better with younger voters than Romney did.

He didn't do incredibly well with the group. But he did well enough to carry Pennsylvania by fewer than 70,000 votes.

And well enough to win Wisconsin by about 27,000 votes."

https://ww2.kqed.org/lowdown/2016/11/14/how-millennials-voted/

"Of the estimated 24 million people under 30 who voted in the 2016 presidential election, a large majority supported Hillary Clinton. But Clinton received notably less support from young voters (18-29) than Barack Obama did in 2008 and 2012, particularly in the crucial battleground states she lost to Donald Trump."

The following shows that if millennials showed up to vote in the percentage as the rest of is did, Clinton would have won:

"About half the number of eligible voters between the ages of 18 and 29 (whom we’ll refer to as “millennials,” although millennials also include people in their early-to-mid-30s) cast ballots in this election. That rate falls well below the estimated general voter turnout rate of roughly 58 percent. About 55 percent of those millennial voters supported Clinton, as compared to the 60 percent who supported Obama in 2012, according to CIRCLE’s analysis. Conversely, youth support from Republicans remained relatively constant: Trump got about 37 percent of the youth vote, roughly equivalent to what Mitt Romney received in 2012."

Like I said, DIDN'T SHOW UP, LAZY and BLAMING other for their inaction.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
No RJ the difference between us and you, is that we voted 90% for clinton and you elected Trump. No other way to rationalize it.
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Except NO POLL showed anything like 90%.

Why do make things up so often and so easily?
 
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