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Bernie Would Have Won

Young voters should've showed up en masse to vote for HRC b/c Trump is a monster.

That said, everyone should be able to understand why young voters wouldn't be particularly enthused ab continuing a neoliberal order that has strapped them with absurd student debt and put them into a system with massive income inequality where income growth has fallen waaaaaay behind the continued growth in productivity.

HRC tried to position herself as a change to this order, but it never really stuck and just looked like she was mooching off Bernies policies. No one believed she'd actually implement such things, and there's certainly previous with that from Obama. Especially when the impression was she didn't really believe in them
 
wsc8521s said:
Young voters should've showed up en masse to vote for HRC b/c Trump is a monster.

That said, everyone should be able to understand why young voters wouldn't be particularly enthused ab continuing a neoliberal order that has strapped them with absurd student debt and put them into a system with massive income inequality where income growth has fallen waaaaaay behind the continued growth in productivity.

HRC tried to position herself as a change to this order, but it never really stuck and just looked like she was mooching off Bernies policies. No one believed she'd actually implement such things, and there's certainly previous with that from Obama. Especially when the impression was she didn't really believe in them
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HRC and the DNC also deprioritized the caliber of GOTV efforts that were so central to getting Obama elected twice. It was bad enough that the Clinton organization was so sloppy on the national level, let alone the horrendous "efforts" at GOTV in Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, among others. No matter how many times centrists like ChrisL and cville say it, their candidate blew the election for this reason, especially after raising more money than any candidate in history, going up against the worst candidate in any of our lifetimes, and possessing a good record of public service (and jacking a lot of Sanders's progressive rhetoric over the course of the campaign).

If I agree with jhmd about one thing post-election, then it's that neoliberal centrists need to find it in their hearts to admit that Clinton lost this one, just as much as as they believe Donald Trump, the Russians, James Comey, and Bernie Sanders lost it for her.
 
again, for all the snickering republicans and sniveling progressives: the candidate was the problem, not centrists
 
ImTheCaptain said:
again, for all the snickering republicans and sniveling progressives: the candidate was the problem, not centrists
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Centrists were the "nothing to see here" flag bearers for the last two years. It was hard to diagnose, let alone solve the problem when centrists were positive that their candidate was going to win big until the bitter, bitter end.*



*which may or may not have arrived depending on who you ask**

**will Comey save us or nah?
 
wsc8521s said:
Young voters should've showed up en masse to vote for HRC b/c Trump is a monster.

That said, everyone should be able to understand why young voters wouldn't be particularly enthused ab continuing a neoliberal order that has strapped them with absurd student debt and put them into a system with massive income inequality where income growth has fallen waaaaaay behind the continued growth in productivity.

HRC tried to position herself as a change to this order, but it never really stuck and just looked like she was mooching off Bernies policies. No one believed she'd actually implement such things, and there's certainly previous with that from Obama. Especially when the impression was she didn't really believe in them
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The first sentence is all that matters. By not showing up, there is a radically RW Supreme Court Justice who will impact young people's lives for the next thirty years. If he's successful, Trump will take healthcare from millions of young people and make what is left much more expensive. He wants privatize education, sell parks end the EPA and mouch mroe.

But you guys stayed home.
 
Strickland33 said:
Centrists were the "nothing to see here" flag bearers for the last two years. It was hard to diagnose, let alone solve the problem when centrists were positive that their candidate was going to win big until the bitter, bitter end.*



*which may or may not have arrived depending on who you ask**

**will Comey save us or nah?
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Pence is much father right than Trump.
 
go ahead and run a far left candidate in 2020 and trust to the media bubble again.

you need to energize the voters bigly and/or capture middle class college educated white people who voted for Trump, for some reason.

maybe Anyone But Trump is good enough but I don't think so.
 
RJKarl said:
The first sentence is all that matters. By not showing up, there is a radically RW Supreme Court Justice who will impact young people's lives for the next thirty years. If he's successful, Trump will take healthcare from millions of young people and make what is left much more expensive. He wants privatize education, sell parks end the EPA and mouch mroe.

But you guys stayed home.
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Blaming theoretical votes instead of the votes that were actually cast. Classic boomer analysis.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
go ahead and run a far left candidate in 2020 and trust to the media bubble again.

you need to energize the voters bigly and/or capture middle class college educated white people who voted for Trump, for some reason.

maybe Anyone But Trump is good enough but I don't think so.
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Build the base and get out of the vote.

We don't know the candidate yet (and there are some talented people all over the left spectrum), but the DNC can get started early to avoid the catastrophic mismanagement of the 2016 election.

It's easy to blame third party voters, primary challengers, and the media in a low turnout election, but in doing so, you're bracketing the question about why it was a low turnout election in the first place.

RJKarl said:
Pence is much father right than Trump.
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I agree with you. What in my post are you responding to?
 
jesus christ who facking cares.

Trump is a boomer. Hillary is a boomer. The generations sucks. Take the L, RJ
 
Strickland33 said:
Build the base and get out of the vote.

We don't know the candidate yet (and there are some talented people all over the left spectrum), but the DNC can get started early to avoid the catastrophic mismanagement of the 2016 election.

It's easy to blame third party voters, primary challengers, and the media in a low turnout election, but in doing so, you're bracketing the question about why it was a low turnout election in the first place.
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hillary sucked. it was the DNC's fault, 100%

hard to know for sure, but I feel pretty strongly that if hillary doesn't run, Bernie's star doesn't shine nearly as much.
 
$100 says it was a boomer who thought of the 'i voted' stickers

oooooooooooppppps:

Janet Boudreau, who used to run the election-supply company Intab, designed a version with an American flag blowing in the wind in 1987. She was shocked by how many people didn't realize it was Election Day, and wanted to do something to help. "I wanted them to see people with an 'I Voted' sticker and think, 'Oh, I should do that,'" she says. For Boudreau, now 57 , the sticker was a product of coming of age during the '60s and '70s, during which time she realized just how much voting mattered. "In terms of civil rights and people protesting against the Vietnam War, we could see populism having a huge effect. Who you'd get in office to pass or kill legislation could mean life or death for some people."
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source: This Is the Story Behind Your 'I Voted' Sticker
 
How did they even figure out who gets their turn to be president first anyway? I was raised to believe that you don't keep score and that everyone wins. So how did they decide that Trump gets to be president first and then Hillary goes next?
 
ImTheCaptain said:
hillary sucked. it was the DNC's fault, 100%

hard to know for sure, but I feel pretty strongly that if hillary doesn't run, Bernie's star doesn't shine nearly as much.
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I definitely agree with you, though it's hard to compare this to past elections given social media, the 24 hour news cycle, etc. Picking Tim Kaine was also a devastating move for the Clinton campaign, as he gave the campaign nothing, particularly for self-identified progressives. Going with Brown, Perez, or Warren, etc. probably would have kept Sanders out of the spotlight. Clinton/Kaine was just an awful ticket and Sanders's message and cult of personality turned out to be a lot more compelling from a media perspective. And, again, Clinton was unwilling or unable - it ultimately doesn't matter - to build on the energy that Sanders was generating around his message for her campaign's sake.
 
This was the biggest election in the past 40 years. The damage that could be done this time (as bad as W would be, there was no way to see 9/11 in 2000) was deep and very obvious. The people who will be most effected voted in the lowest percentile of eligible voters.

You stayed home and wanted to fix it for you. Then you blame others for your laziness.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
you need to energize the voters bigly and/or capture middle class college educated white people who voted for Trump, for some reason.
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A left-wing centrist -- in the parlance of our times meaning left on social issues but moderate to right on economic ones -- is not going to accomplish this.

TownieDeac said:
Tell us how you feel about your student loans with emojis !!!
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Mine actually aren't that bad. But I got fuckin' lucky, unlike way too many of our generation
 
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