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Official 2018-19 NBA Season Thread - NBA Finals Raptors Win #WeTheNorth

Deac83 said:
Not just that, for all the how 'great of an owner' Cuban is, how do you explain they came to the point where Dirk goes out in this crap year? Let's not forget the 'hey we'll break up the championship team and all the FA's will come here because I'm such a great owner' move.

Cuban didn't bring Dirk in. They made the right choice with a high lottery pick that he'll under achieve with.

Who had the Spurs with 48 wins this year?

Dallas is not even in the same conversation with the Spurs.
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*checks ticket*

Me!

PhDeac said:
Yep. I firmly believe the Spurs basically stayed put in the offseason because they beat the Rockets handily without Kawhi and were thumping the Warriors with Kawhi until he was injured.

And they'll probably stay put this offseason because they'll end up with 47-50 wins and a playoff spot without Kawhi.
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PhDeac said:
I don’t think much of DeRozan but he’s a huge upgrade from Green.

Did Murray/Green/Anderson/LMA/Pau sound like a 47 win team? No. But it was.
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PhDeac said:
Wrangor said 55.

I said better than 47 and playoffs.
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And that was before Murray's injury.



Playoff schedules are out. Nets-Sixers on Sat at 2:30 is the first game.
https://www.nba.com/playoffs/2019/first-round-schedule

Jazz over Rockets will be the only first round upset. Blazers over Thunder in 7.

Warriors over the Raptors in 6. Who you got?
 
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Deac83 said:
Haven't seen it but Spurs bring Dirk to tears with farewell video. Spurs tiers above Mavs.
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LOL. What a terrible argument

The Mavs brought him to tears multiple times in his last home game. Therefore by your logic the Mavs are multiple tiers above Spurs
 
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You all can say what you want about Cuban but there are 25-30 NBA teams who would kill for the success he and Donnie have had with Mavs over close to two decades now. Spurs and probably LA, Boston, Cleveland and Miami are the only I’d say for sure wouldn’t. LA is heavy success in early 2000s. Those Cleveland teams were still shitty and really only won because LeBron in East.

Point still remains that even with the terrible years post championship the Mavs have a top 4 winning % in last 20 years and made playoffs in 15 of them. All while playing in loaded West with Spurs Big 3, Kobe’s Lakers, solid Rockets teams, rise of OKC and GS, etc.

The wins speak for themselves and they turned a trash heap into Luka and Porzingis for future to take mantle from Dirk
 
Deac83 said:
Haven't seen it but Spurs bring Dirk to tears with farewell video. Spurs tiers above Mavs.
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Also after the intro video they handled the rest of the night like garbage. To double team him most of the night but his last shot... pitiful. They didn't allow a single mavs fan to have a sign (which on one hand I get on the other it’s a different night and there weren’t tons of Spurs fans there), the ushers were assholes to any mavs fam trying to see dirk up close for warmups. And after the game the lined the steps overlooking the tunnel so no mavs fan could see/get autographs from dirk. It was ridiculous
 
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DeacdeTejas said:
You all can say what you want about Cuban but there are 25-30 NBA teams who would kill for the success he and Donnie have had with Mavs over close to two decades now. Spurs and probably LA, Boston, Cleveland and Miami are the only I’d say for sure wouldn’t. LA is heavy success in early 2000s. Those Cleveland teams were still shitty and really only won because LeBron in East.

Point still remains that even with the terrible years post championship the Mavs have a top 4 winning % in last 20 years and made playoffs in 15 of them. All while playing in loaded West with Spurs Big 3, Kobe’s Lakers, solid Rockets teams, rise of OKC and GS, etc.

The wins speak for themselves and they turned a trash heap into Luka and Porzingis for future to take mantle from Dirk
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Warriors would trade their soon-to-be 4 championships for Mavs’ last 2 decades? :wtf:
 
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Yeah. I’m not sure if the Cavs wouldn’t though.
 
As Ph remembers, there was a pretty big argument here for Tim going to Orlando, because the Spurs would never be able to build a team around him. 15 years later and 4 more championships, the Spurs did what the Mavs never could do.

The local press in DFW supports the notion that Cuban was a moron for what he did to the team and Dirk deserved more in his last years. Cuban's view that he could 'buy' his next championship was foolish and proven to be quite stupid.

Mavs had some spikes but underachieved and failed to find any kind of consistent pairing with Dirk.

All good for the Spurs, made their path easier for most of the last 20 years.
 
Is Ph getting chesty about the Spurs tying the Clippers for the 7th best record in the West? :cool:

With that said, Spurs got to like the matchup with a Denver team that faded down the stretch, and they also have to like that GSW, HOU and UTAH are in the other half of the Western Bracket. Wouldn't be surprised to see any of the 4 of Portland, OKC, Denver or SA in the Western Conference Finals.
 
Was gonna bump the 2&2 Sixers-Hornets post again but I'm gonna wait until we at least beat the Nets because a first round exit would sorta prove his point and I'm actually scared the Sixers are gonna lose to the Nets.
 
Deac83 said:
As Ph remembers, there was a pretty big argument here for Tim going to Orlando, because the Spurs would never be able to build a team around him. 15 years later and 4 more championships, the Spurs did what the Mavs never could do.

The local press in DFW supports the notion that Cuban was a moron for what he did to the team and Dirk deserved more in his last years. Cuban's view that he could 'buy' his next championship was foolish and proven to be quite stupid.

Mavs had some spikes but underachieved and failed to find any kind of consistent pairing with Dirk.

All good for the Spurs, made their path easier for most of the last 20 years.
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I’ve already said Cuban blowing up championship team was foolish. And I don’t think it’s fair to compare Mavs to Spurs and say they suck. Obviously the Spurs are steps above everyone else. You compare anyone to spurs and they suck. Again nobody is arguing Spurs aren’t the class of organizations over last two decades

Again I’m in the clear Cuban has made really stupid decisions camp. But I also think it says something that people are hating on Cuban for losing seasons when for the first 20 years of Mavs franchise all they did was lose. All they have done under Cuban is win
 
Cuban has run on getting lucky once for the past twenty years. Without getting lucky with Dirk, he'd be in deep shit. Cuban has failed in surrounding an all time, totally unique talent for most of Dirk's career.
 
RJKarl said:
Cuban has run on getting lucky once for the past twenty years. Without getting lucky with Dirk, he'd be in deep shit. Cuban has failed in surrounding an all time, totally unique talent for most of Dirk's career.
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This is really the point. I'm on the record as not being a fan in any way of Cuban, so my views are tainted. But I live in the metroplex so I also glean some of the local feelings about the team. As other's appreciated Dunan, I can appreciate Dirk. The guy was a class guy, an all time great and never embarrassed his team, city or league. He deserved better. In fact part of what was said was that Dirk was willing to stay the last couple years if the Mavs were relevant. Cuban failed him on that. If Dirk was one of 99% of the other players in the league he's be a role player on GS, Tor or the Bucks this year to get a shot at another 'ship.

It's great that Cuban an has a state of the art locker room and provide all the comforts, but clearly only the headcase FA's or 'pretender' stars FA's come to the Mavs.

Cuban is a great 'buddy' but it seems most of the players know he doesn't know crap about building a team.

His '20 years of success' was built off of a single Unicorn. Just imagine how much worse they would have been if they didn't have Carlisle as a coach?
 
Separately, no discussion of Portland trailing at half time 87-62 to the Kings, then coming back to win. It's almost like they were listing to half time of the Clips game and realized 'wait how stupid can we be, we better get out of the 4 seed'.

It serves Houston right for blowing that game to OKC. I think the irony is that if Hou had won that game it would have been Spurs and Den in the 3-6, but now it's Spurs - Den in the 2-7, with the bonus that the Rockets get GS in the 2nd round instead of a WCF. This stuff just seems to follow Paul around wherever he goes.
 
Deac83 said:
This is really the point. I'm on the record as not being a fan in any way of Cuban, so my views are tainted. But I live in the metroplex so I also glean some of the local feelings about the team. As other's appreciated Dunan, I can appreciate Dirk. The guy was a class guy, an all time great and never embarrassed his team, city or league. He deserved better. In fact part of what was said was that Dirk was willing to stay the last couple years if the Mavs were relevant. Cuban failed him on that. If Dirk was one of 99% of the other players in the league he's be a role player on GS, Tor or the Bucks this year to get a shot at another 'ship.

It's great that Cuban an has a state of the art locker room and provide all the comforts, but clearly only the headcase FA's or 'pretender' stars FA's come to the Mavs.

Cuban is a great 'buddy' but it seems most of the players know he doesn't know crap about building a team.

His '20 years of success' was built off of a single Unicorn. Just imagine how much worse they would have been if they didn't have Carlisle as a coach?
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I looked back at the 98 draft. I remember how excited I was and then how pissed I was that Paul Pierce had fallen to them and then they passed. That draft was basically a disaster in talent.
 
Pilchard said:
Is Ph getting chesty about the Spurs tying the Clippers for the 7th best record in the West? :cool:

With that said, Spurs got to like the matchup with a Denver team that faded down the stretch, and they also have to like that GSW, HOU and UTAH are in the other half of the Western Bracket. Wouldn't be surprised to see any of the 4 of Portland, OKC, Denver or SA in the Western Conference Finals.
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This. Totally agree. Denver is the best get for the Spurs. It is crazy to look at team records in the West. The Clippers are only 9 games under GS. The Spurs as the 7th seed, I think it is 5 or 6 games.

Denver lucked into a win last night too. They were down to a Minnesota team playing without Town by 11 with about 3 minutes left and hit a bunch of 3s, and a la Miami 2014, clanked 3s got the board and then hit the second 3. Two things - they played badly, but on the flip side, they will feel in the game if they are down, say 7, with 5 minutes left against the Spurs. And rightfully so. So a good scenario bad scenario for the Nuggets. Both teams appear healthy. In fact, only Portland in the West enters the playoffs missing a key player from the season - Nurcic. Paul George is banged up, but I think that is it in the West.
 
Spurs have been crap on the road. Got throttled in Denver as week or so ago. I'm not overly confident in DeRozen. I've seen him miss to many shots to win the game or make critical turnover on the last possession (i.e. see @ Tor). Given all that, glad they are out of the GS/Hou bracket.
 
Completely agree. Spurs road woes and DeRozan’s lack of a playoff clutch history is why I think the Nuggets win in 6.
 
RJKarl said:
I looked back at the 98 draft. I remember how excited I was and then how pissed I was that Paul Pierce had fallen to them and then they passed. That draft was basically a disaster in talent.
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But I think this is kind of my point. Most drafts are disasters in talent. And outside of maybe the top 3 picks each year it’s a roll of the dice, and even top 3 can be hit or miss.

Cuban chasing FAs was and still is stupid. But it isn’t like SA has exactly won the FA market either.

Cuban has in last year or two gone back to what always made him and Donnie successful, pulling of trades and getting quality players of FA scrap heap that work in their system.

I think Cuban is a flawed owner. But he is also one of the few owners who is willing to build a title team at all cost. And yes that will come with some swings and misses. But it also leads to some home runs
 
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