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Official 2018-19 NBA Season Thread - NBA Finals Raptors Win #WeTheNorth

RJKarl said:
You aren't trading PJ Tucker for Hunter. You are trading PJ Tucker for Kevin Huerter (an extra piece). You are trading the potential of Hunter for the reality of Capela, who will fill the team's biggest need immediately.

You're so right. Next year. if the Hawks stay pat, there is a 10% chance the Hawks make the playoffs and lots of people will want to play for a mediocre team in a second rate market for a franchise that gave up the COY versus being the last piece in a team that has shown they are bold, have made the playoffs and still have $25-30M to pay someone.
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Whatev - this is not how 5-8 years windows to win championships are created in this day and age.

I like Capella, but it is so hard to judge value because of how Houston crafts their offense. There have been a number of players that after being traded, just totally shat the bed. Not saying that would be Capella, but I found it interesting that they brought in Kenneth Faried for three beans and a mule and when Capella was out for three weeks last year - offensively Faried was able to duplicate Capella's production. Faried hadn't played meaningful minutes in what seemed like 5 years. Defensively, he obviously can't give you what Capella gives you, but offensively he certainly did. Yes, Faried is a pro and one who was a huge double double machine 5 or 6 years ago, but I imagine you trade Capella for Tristan Thompson and they exchange numbers ...
 
Capela and Thompson are equal?? You can't be serious. In his best days, Thompson was never in Capela's league defensively, nor was he ever close to being as athletic.

Also, by having Capela there, JC's D will greatly improve. He could be an excellent help and weak side defender. JC isn't a primary D guy, but his athleticism and length are perfect to be paired with a rim protector like Capela. By not having to cover up for Trae and Huerter, JC will also be able to play weak side passing lanes.
 
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PhDeac said:
He clearly sucks on D. That’s why the Hawks got an elite wing defender.

Don’t act like pts, reb, and asts are some obscure cherry picked stats.
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sample size matters pard. surely you understand that.

and what does the hawks drafting an elite wing defender have to do with direct comparisons between young and doncic?
 
RJKarl said:
Capela and Thompson are equal?? You can't be serious. In his best days, Thompson was never in Capela's league defensively, nor was he ever close to being as athletic.

Also, by having Capela there, JC's D will greatly improve. He could be an excellent help and weak side defender. JC isn't a primary D guy, but his athleticism and length are perfect to be paired with a rim protector like Capela. By not having to cover up for Trae and Huerter, JC will also be able to play weak side passing lanes.
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Can he make a margarita? Again, you are fixated on what Capela adds and not on what I am replying with - Atlanta has a 5-8 year plan and investing in that kind of contract with that kind of player at the expense of Hunter, Huerter is simply not even remotely on their radar. They have explicitly said so. I happen to agree with their approach based on how championship teams have been crafted - Toronto an obvious different animal to some degree.

You are spitting in the wind. Your choice, but nobody here agrees with you and you ginning up all the amazing benefits - as if Capela is some sort of savant glue guy - have not moved the needle.
 
Milhouse said:
sample size matters pard. surely you understand that.

and what does the hawks drafting an elite wing defender have to do with direct comparisons between young and doncic?
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I’m honored to get a two paragraph response from Milhouse.
 
Toronto actually plays into my scenario far more than yours. They traded for Lowry. Then they traded their best player and back-up center for Kawhi and traded for Gasol.

Heurter will be a bench player by the middle of the season if the Hawks have anyone to play alongside JC. He'll have to compete with Hunter, Turner and Reddish (and possibly even Crabbe) for minutes on the wing. Trading him isn't that big a deal.

I've never said anything like that about Capela. He is an excellent defender and rebounder. He can free Trae and JC and is a bargain for his production.

I don't think this will happen. As long as you have been around here, of all people, you should realize that who here agrees or disagrees with me is of no consequence to me.
 
RJKarl said:
Toronto actually plays into my scenario far more than yours. They traded for Lowry. Then they traded their best player and back-up center for Kawhi and traded for Gasol.

Heurter will be a bench player by the middle of the season if the Hawks have anyone to play alongside JC. He'll have to compete with Hunter, Turner and Reddish (and possibly even Crabbe) for minutes on the wing. Trading him isn't that big a deal.

I've never said anything like that about Capela. He is an excellent defender and rebounder. He can free Trae and JC and is a bargain for his production.

I don't think this will happen. As long as you have been around here, of all people, you should realize that who here agrees or disagrees with me is of no consequence to me.
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I am biased, but I think you are dead wrong on Huerter. The dude had a solid rookie season as a 20 year old. He's going to be an important piece, not an extra one. Trading a cheap player with huge upside one year after drafting him is definitely a big deal. Would only make sense if they thought adding a piece or two could win them a championship in the short term. That ain't the Hawks.

You seem to forget that Toronto was the #1 seed in the East the season before they made these moves... Atlanta is nowhere near that.

Turner is garbage and won't be in the way of any of the younger players.

I'm far from a die-hard Hawks fan, but I'm glad you aren't running the team. This stuff is nonsense.
 
RJKarl said:
Toronto actually plays into my scenario far more than yours. They traded for Lowry. Then they traded their best player and back-up center for Kawhi and traded for Gasol.

Heurter will be a bench player by the middle of the season if the Hawks have anyone to play alongside JC. He'll have to compete with Hunter, Turner and Reddish (and possibly even Crabbe) for minutes on the wing. Trading him isn't that big a deal.

I've never said anything like that about Capela. He is an excellent defender and rebounder. He can free Trae and JC and is a bargain for his production.

I don't think this will happen. As long as you have been around here, of all people, you should realize that who here agrees or disagrees with me is of no consequence to me.
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Kawhi is the highest draft choice on last year's Toronto team. That was why they are simply an anomaly. They have done a great job drafting big upside players late in the 1st round and trading with teams that are trying to shed payroll, etc...

Last time, there is an arc to how you build a championship team - or let's say several:

* You miss the playoffs and trade vets for baggage contracts + draft picks; you then hopefully use those picks wisely; you accumulate enough young players that begin paying huge dividends in play and excitement, that you excite veterans to sign as free agents to play with the young fellas; once these young fellas are in their 3rd to 5th year, you can trade them for value as they start to peel off their rookie deals. By then, you fill seats, have momentum/excitement,etc..

* You have your best player(s) get hurt early in a season and tank, you fall into the #1 pick in a year where it really matters, you draft Tim Duncan and are instantly great.

Most teams are going with the first choice. Because it is a blueprint that has worked for multiple teams - even with mistakes made in drafts (see Philly).
 
Lakers trade 2018 1st round pick C Mo Wagner, PG Isaac Bonga (#39 pick in the 2018 draft), G Jermerrio Jones, and 2022 2nd round pick to the Wizards for cash. The move clears enough cap room for the Lakers to offer a max contract on top of the acquisition of AD.

Kawhi will meet with the Lakers, Clips and Raptors.

Also, LeBron is giving up #23 to AD. The story: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/
 
So will Lebron take #8 or #24?
 
Pilchard said:
Lakers trade 2018 1st round pick C Mo Wagner, PG Isaac Bonga (#39 pick in the 2018 draft), G Jermerrio Jones, and 2022 2nd round pick to the Wizards for cash. The move clears enough cap room for the Lakers to offer a max contract on top of the acquisition of AD.

Kawhi will meet with the Lakers, Clips and Raptors.

Also, LeBron is giving up #23 to AD. The story: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/
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Mostly kidding, but if the Lakers sign another max player, will they just play w/ 4 players? LBJ, AD, MAX, & Kuzma

How are they going to build any kind of bench?
 
DeacsATS said:
Mostly kidding, but if the Lakers sign another max player, will they just play w/ 4 players? LBJ, AD, MAX, & Kuzma

How are they going to build any kind of bench?
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Resign Reggie Bullock with Bird rights, sign a MLE guy, and then fill out the rest with vet minimums.
 
Cheap. As it looks now, I don’t think the Lakers make the playoffs next year. They need an elite max player or two very good players in the backcourt. Even if they stay pretty healthy, Lebron and AD will play maybe 65 games together next year. They need to win about 2/3 of those games to have a floor for the games where they only have one of them or neither of them. Plus there’s always just chances of personalities clashing.

It’s pretty amazing that over the last few years and this offseason, the Lakers have traded or let go of most of their prior draft picks and have traded many of their future draft picks and only have three players of note to show for it.
 
DeacsATS said:
Mostly kidding, but if the Lakers sign another max player, will they just play w/ 4 players? LBJ, AD, MAX, & Kuzma

How are they going to build any kind of bench?
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Exception, ring chasers, buyouts? No way they can actually compete if it's one of the 30% max guys that totally wipes out the cap space though.
 
Good question.

LeBron turns 35 next December; so, even if he avoids injury, he is going to miss his fair share of games. For as great as AD is, he misses games every year: he has averaged 16 missed games a year over his 7 seasons in the NBA; with no bench, those guys are either going to have to log a ton of minutes when they do play or they are going to have to make epic 4th quarter comebacks a habit. Guess LeBron is hoping that a bunch of vets agree to take the minimum in their quest for a ring. Remain skeptical about the Lakers being as strong as many think. If their win total is 54.5 as projected, I'm going to jump on the under.
 
DeacsATS said:
Mostly kidding, but if the Lakers sign another max player, will they just play w/ 4 players? LBJ, AD, MAX, & Kuzma

How are they going to build any kind of bench?
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Minimum slots are possible. They might also be able to get the tax, semi-MLE of about $5.5M.
 
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