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Sam Hartman is…..

Deacfreak07 said:
I hope they don’t but it’s good for wake long term if they do, so I’ll wish them well.
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Yeah wide receiver is one position we have not had a drop off in recent years. Thought we might be screwed with Greene out and Roberson getting all the attention but Perry has stepped up bigly.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
I hope they don’t but it’s good for wake long term if they do, so I’ll wish them well.
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it's only good for Wake if they get drafted high and get a big contract. Sage surrat and Greg Dortch leaving early and not getting drafted did absolutely nothing to help Wake.
 
Sam will be the best ever at Wake if he stays healthy the next couple years. He is fun to watch and is a great kid.
 
Sciba gonna go and get paid or come back for another year and collect every NCAA kicking record? Right now every made field goal is moving him about 8 spots on the all time kicks made list. He would likely need most of next season to overtake the leader in total FGs made. Sciba has 69. Leader has 96.
 
Deaconblue said:
Sciba gonna go and get paid or come back for another year and collect every NCAA kicking record? Right now every made field goal is moving him about 8 spots on the all time kicks made list. He would likely need most of next season to overtake the leader in total FGs made. Sciba has 69. Leader has 96.
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This is a TD offense now.

Sciba is now #11 in career points in the ACC. He passed Chris Blewitt who started for WFT today. He should pass Nick Novak to get to #8. With another year, Sciba has a very good shot at beating Etienne's ACC career scoring record. He just needs 100 points.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/acc/leaders/points-player-career.html
 
LilburnDeac said:
After not playing his first 2 years, Jay Venuto came out of nowhere to lead Wake to the 1979 Tangerine Bowl. He was ACC Player of the Year in 1979 and in his Jr and Sr. years he passed for 5056 yards.

Wolford is currently the backup QB for the Rams.
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Yes, Venuto was a big pleasant surprise, at least to me. I still think he was the best I've seen at Wake progressing thru and completing passes to his 1st, 2nd or 3d ck options on a pass play. Sam H is getting pretty good at that too.
 
SC DEAC said:
it's only good for Wake if they get drafted high and get a big contract. Sage surrat and Greg Dortch leaving early and not getting drafted did absolutely nothing to help Wake.
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This. Exactly this. Gonna need DF to explain how either of those players leaving early was good for Wake. No recruits saw them declare, not get drafted, and were impressed by their development at Wake (as good as it was). We need players who aren’t obvious top 3 rounders to come back ans develop.
 
tigerswood said:
This. Exactly this. Gonna need DF to explain how either of those players leaving early was good for Wake. No recruits saw them declare, not get drafted, and were impressed by their development at Wake (as good as it was). We need players who aren’t obvious top 3 rounders to come back ans develop.
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Let me answer your question with another question. Had Dortch, Surratt, Newman, etc. come back for another year at Wake and ended with the same result, how does our developmental narrative play out?

Seems like a win-win to me. If they make it, then we put guys in the league. If they don’t then they should have stayed and gotten better.
 
I don't think last year ends with the same result if they came back. Which is kind of the point.
 
Rusty LaRue, at one point he held 8 NCAA passing records. Didn't he pass for 500 one game?

And the guy has an NBA pension.
 
PhDeac said:
I don't think last year ends with the same result if they came back. Which is kind of the point.
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Thinking those guys wouldn’t have made our team better, and potentially produced better records, doesn’t make much sense to me. They got bad advice, did what they thought was best, and hurt their futures a lot more than Wake’s. It’s great that we seem to reload now at positions like WR, but developing players to their full potential and maximizing their exposure across their full eligibility will only help our program and recruiting moving forward.
 
The rusty Larue passing records are pretty much just cool stats that don’t mean anything. We were terrible that season and for the last 3 games Caldwell just said fuck it we are passing on every down . Larue got a ton of 7 yard completions that added up but we lost all the games in his streak and never even scored 30 points. Larue was a much better basketball player than he was a quarterback, hence the nba ring and pension.
 
SC DEAC said:
The rusty Larue passing records are pretty much just cool stats that don’t mean anything. We were terrible that season and for the last 3 games Caldwell just said fuck it we are passing on every down . Larue got a ton of 7 yard completions that added up but we lost all the games in his streak and never even scored 30 points. Larue was a much better basketball player than he was a quarterback, hence the nba ring and pension.
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Yes we were terrible when those records were broken.
 
tigerswood said:
Thinking those guys wouldn’t have made our team better, and potentially produced better records, doesn’t make much sense to me. They got bad advice, did what they thought was best, and hurt their futures a lot more than Wake’s. It’s great that we seem to reload now at positions like WR, but developing players to their full potential and maximizing their exposure across their full eligibility will only help our program and recruiting moving forward.
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Roberson is the model for this. He redshirted in 2017 and then in 2018 got 7 catches in the slot behind Dortch then 6 catches in the slot behind Hinton. Then two years as a starter. I think we can keep that going more or less. But that’s a five year plan.

Deac83 said:
Yes we were terrible when those records were broken.
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Yeah but that was about as fun as football got back then. And it utilized a WR corps with two future NFL players. Rusty threw for 545 yards vs State and we only scored 23 points.
 
freakadeac said:
how can you not love this dude
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Had an impromptu and extended conversation with Sam Hartman two years ago away from campus. He represents the best of Wake Forest very well. He has a measured humility. And trust me he really loves the game of football.
 
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