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MBB: Game 3 - Charleston Southern Bucs - Wednesday 7 pm - ACCN+/ESPN+

SC DEAC said:
one nit pick about Laravia- thought he would be a better rebounder. He has 10 in 3 games. Im guessing that will improve as year goes on, but if he is going to play big minutes at PF then he needs to get more rebounds. On the other hand, Whitt, Williams, and Hildreth all seem to be above average rebounders for their size.
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10 rebounds, but 12 steals and 3 blocks. Better to get the ball before it even gets near the basket.
 
That was fun. Man, I think having Monsanto on this team would make us a tough out. We shot well from 3, but we don’t necessarily have a sniper out there. Forbes deserves a ton of credit for the turnaround so far.
 
You don’t like Williamson in the shooter role on this team? Alondes playing like he is opens up the court for Daivien so much more than last year when he was forced to play point so often. Cam’s style helps him as well.

Not sure who would have thought we’d be blowing out anyone, even shitty teams, with Mucius and Whitt being non-factors.
 
TenaciousKory said:
how do you feel about Whitt so far
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Disappointed with him in the first two games, but based on what I was hearing out of the program all summer I wasn't surprised. He has struggled and going into the season was firmly behind Cam on the depth chart. However, tonight I thought that he showed better composure and patience as well as improved defense. Still a little over helping which the whole team has done some of, and he still is liable to be beat on the dribble, but he was better. The biggest thing for me in his game tonight was that he didn't force passes, he was just a capable passer helping to find the open man. He is known to have some slight issues with attitude in terms of being vocally upset with playing time, and certainly thinking he is a star already, but he's an 18ish year old kid and that is not out of the norm at all. Going to be a different path to the starting PG role than we had envisioned for him but I think he can potentially still get there. Could also be that Cam beats him out as the point guard and he develops his game as more of a complementary combo guard.
 
TenaciousKory said:
how do you feel about Whitt so far
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He’s going to be a good PG in a year or two.

Did you hear he would have been at prom tonight if he wasn’t playing basketball?
 
SkyDivingDeacon said:
That was fun. Man, I think having Monsanto on this team would make us a tough out. We shot well from 3, but we don’t necessarily have a sniper out there. Forbes deserves a ton of credit for the turnaround so far.
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I agree that Monsanto would have been a really great piece to have, as he could eat some of Zay and Walton's minutes, which have not been productive. The game was indeed fun to watch but the atmosphere in the Joel was painful. Not only was it empty, many fans were annoyed with any fellow fans that showed excitement or passion. My friends and I sat in one of the many rows of empty seats about 10 rows up from mid court on the side opposite the benches. I stood up and was shouting after Jake's dunk in the first half, and the two people behind me probably in their late 20s or early 30s were talking to each other about how weird we were for being excited. When Miles Lester hit his 3 we all went crazy as he's a popular kid on campus, and the same fans said "you guys must not get out of the house much, huh". If you look at twitter and my friend is telling me it's on the 247 boards as well, there were several other fans who had similar experiences in the Joel tonight of being told to quiet down or calm down. Pretty disappointing but I guess all we can do is hope it improves and do our best to get our butt over to the Joel when we can. To this end, football is a top 10 team and has managed only one actual sellout of what is literally the singular smallest stadium in power conference football, and it took 30%+ being opposing fans to get there. I get that we are a small school with an alumni base that is not local, etc. etc. and I defend our fanbase to other teams by citing that. However, at some point we just need to find a way to be better. If the most we can muster up for a football game in prime time as a top 15 team is probably about 24,000 Wake fans, I don't know how we expect to fill the 14,000 seat Joel for 20 home games a year mostly on week nights.

My proposals to fix this:
1. Continue to win games
2. Aggressively market the program within the WF community. In years past I have seen many professors (famously Kenny Hirbst) at games, and I have not seen that this year. The disruption of the pandemic probably took away the routine of going to games for many in the community that had for years even under DM.
3. Upgrade the seats of fans in the upper deck into the lower sections where many seats owned by season ticket holders go unused. There should be an app that allows season ticket holders to give up their seat for such games that they will not be attending. Having a few hundred fans up there all spread out does nothing for the atmosphere but having them in the lower bowl would help.
4. As an admissions department, give the benefit of the doubt to local students if resumes are comparable to students like myself from other regions of the country.
5. Increase enrollment by continuing to build the engineering programs. This is already in the works and I believe the target is to get to an underhand enrollment of 8,000 students.
6. Market the team to the Winston community, specifically in local schools and churches.

Anybody with other ideas please chime in, because as much as this is a problem it is also an opportunity to grow for the future.
 
NJDeac’22 said:
I agree that Monsanto would have been a really great piece to have, as he could eat some of Zay and Walton's minutes, which have not been productive. The game was indeed fun to watch but the atmosphere in the Joel was painful. Not only was it empty, many fans were annoyed with any fellow fans that showed excitement or passion. My friends and I sat in one of the many rows of empty seats about 10 rows up from mid court on the side opposite the benches. I stood up and was shouting after Jake's dunk in the first half, and the two people behind me probably in their late 20s or early 30s were talking to each other about how weird we were for being excited. When Miles Lester hit his 3 we all went crazy as he's a popular kid on campus, and the same fans said "you guys must not get out of the house much, huh". If you look at twitter and my friend is telling me it's on the 247 boards as well, there were several other fans who had similar experiences in the Joel tonight of being told to quiet down or calm down. Pretty disappointing but I guess all we can do is hope it improves and do our best to get our butt over to the Joel when we can. To this end, football is a top 10 team and has managed only one actual sellout of what is literally the singular smallest stadium in power conference football, and it took 30%+ being opposing fans to get there. I get that we are a small school with an alumni base that is not local, etc. etc. and I defend our fanbase to other teams by citing that. However, at some point we just need to find a way to be better. If the most we can muster up for a football game in prime time as a top 15 team is probably about 24,000 Wake fans, I don't know how we expect to fill the 14,000 seat Joel for 20 home games a year mostly on week nights.

My proposals to fix this:
1. Continue to win games - yes
2. Aggressively market the program within the WF community. In years past I have seen many professors (famously Kenny Hirbst) at games, and I have not seen that this year. The disruption of the pandemic probably took away the routine of going to games for many in the community that had for years even under DM. - yes
3. Upgrade the seats of fans in the upper deck into the lower sections where many seats owned by season ticket holders go unused. There should be an app that allows season ticket holders to give up their seat for such games that they will not be attending. Having a few hundred fans up there all spread out does nothing for the atmosphere but having them in the lower bowl would help. - sounds like a good idea
4. As an admissions department, give the benefit of the doubt to local students if resumes are comparable to students like myself from other regions of the country. - I don't think admissions would ever base their decisions on who will go to a basketball game.
5. Increase enrollment by continuing to build the engineering programs. This is already in the works and I believe the target is to get to an underhand enrollment of 8,000 students. - god I hope not, Wake was the place for me because it was small and offered low student to teacher ratio. It's too big over 5,000 now!
6. Market the team to the Winston community, specifically in local schools and churches. - Sure

Anybody with other ideas please chime in, because as much as this is a problem it is also an opportunity to grow for the future.
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Enjoyed most of your ideas except expanding the size of the school. You should work in the AD after graduation. As Donald Ross would say, we need a smaller gym on campus to fit our school similar to Cameron.
 
People will come back to games but it's going to take a while. The pandemic on top of ten-plus years of total ineptitude took a massive toll on this program. It was pretty easy for a lot of middle-aged fans like me to completely tune out at the end of the Wellman era and that's unfortunately what happened. There was just no positive chatter about Wake hoops, not on campus, not around Winston, not in alumni clubs around the country, etc. Thankfully Currie is reversing the engines but it's a slow process.
 
NJDeac’22 said:
Disappointed with him in the first two games, but based on what I was hearing out of the program all summer I wasn't surprised. He has struggled and going into the season was firmly behind Cam on the depth chart. However, tonight I thought that he showed better composure and patience as well as improved defense. Still a little over helping which the whole team has done some of, and he still is liable to be beat on the dribble, but he was better. The biggest thing for me in his game tonight was that he didn't force passes, he was just a capable passer helping to find the open man. He is known to have some slight issues with attitude in terms of being vocally upset with playing time, and certainly thinking he is a star already, but he's an 18ish year old kid and that is not out of the norm at all. Going to be a different path to the starting PG role than we had envisioned for him but I think he can potentially still get there. Could also be that Cam beats him out as the point guard and he develops his game as more of a complementary combo guard.
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" is known to have slight issues with attitude and vocally upset" any direct knowledge of this?" I met the guy and can't see this but I could be wrong. He has 12 assists in his somewhat limited playing time which is a bright spot. Shooting and turnovers need work but that will come as it did last season. I think him and Cam will get similar minutes with Cam getting slightly more. Both offer something a little different which is good.
 
berneses said:
Enjoyed most of your ideas except expanding the size of the school. You should work in the AD after graduation. As Donald Ross would say, we need a smaller gym on campus to fit our school similar to Cameron.
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meh, we just need a monorail
 
saus21 said:
" is known to have slight issues with attitude and vocally upset" any direct knowledge of this?" I met the guy and can't see this but I could be wrong. He has 12 assists in his somewhat limited playing time which is a bright spot. Shooting and turnovers need work but that will come as it did last season. I think him and Cam will get similar minutes with Cam getting slightly more. Both offer something a little different which is good.
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Yea pretty direct knowledge and it’s a small student body stuff get around. Roberson is on the list for a sorority function tonight, for example, so I’d take that to mean he most likely won’t be playing on Saturday.
 
The atmosphere at the coliseum has been absolutely woeful as mentioned before. It's hard to sit there with my wife and not talk about the good ole days when we were growing up (late TD, fully JHo, CP3, Jgray etc). The bball games were my favorite sporting event of the year, and now it's like a chore to even go. I'm actually excited again because I like this team, but to say it is a fun thing to go to is a tough sell. Hope it gets better but damn Wellman he fucked us for maybe full generations there. But like they say, win and they will come.
 
I’m glad Carter has an attitude. I want our back up guys to be hungry and itching for more playing time. And I want our point guard to be irrationally confident and know he’s the shit. I trust Forbes to help him channel that frustration.
 
berneses said:
Enjoyed most of your ideas except expanding the size of the school. You should work in the AD after graduation. As Donald Ross would say, we need a smaller gym on campus to fit our school similar to Cameron.
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Out of all those ideas, expanding the school is supposedly the only one already in the works. Wake is adding new staff for the engineering programs that started three or four years ago and the rumor is they’ll build another dorm and some academic buildings for engineering on what is now Davis field. Obviously don’t know if that’s true or if covid has changed that but I head that from kids in student gov a couple years ago. I think adding a thousand or so students would be fine as long as we do it by adding programs and not by lowering academic standards.
 
NJDeac’22 said:
Out of all those ideas, expanding the school is supposedly the only one already in the works. Wake is adding new staff for the engineering programs that started three or four years ago and the rumor is they’ll build another dorm and some academic buildings for engineering on what is now Davis field. Obviously don’t know if that’s true or if covid has changed that but I head that from kids in student gov a couple years ago. I think adding a thousand or so students would be fine as long as we do it by adding programs and not by lowering academic standards.
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Would make sense as long as it’s incremental to our existing programs and not diluting the academic pool as you say. Dr Wente has a background in STEM which I’m sure wasn’t an accident and obviously those skills will be at a premium in the future.
 
NJDeac’22 said:
Out of all those ideas, expanding the school is supposedly the only one already in the works. Wake is adding new staff for the engineering programs that started three or four years ago and the rumor is they’ll build another dorm and some academic buildings for engineering on what is now Davis field. Obviously don’t know if that’s true or if covid has changed that but I head that from kids in student gov a couple years ago. I think adding a thousand or so students would be fine as long as we do it by adding programs and not by lowering academic standards.
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Davis Field is pretty much the last bit of green space left on campus. What a bummer.

Definitely no room for an on-campus arena unless they build on that shitty strip between campus and the football stadium.
 
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