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[PhDeac]

Not sure you can claim “chicken or egg” about trends that far out date modern politics.

 

[IamThunderbolt]

I think it’s the discussion of does inequality exist because of hate or does hate exist to justify inequality, which predates modern politics.

But I agree, where we are now, we can’t only address class without addressing race. And unfortunately both are features of the system, not a bug.

 

[2&2 Slider To Leyritz]

I think it’s the discussion of does inequality exist because of hate or does hate exist to justify inequality, which predates modern politics.

But I agree, where we are now, we can’t only address class without addressing race. And unfortunately both are features of the system, not a bug.

Sure you can, you just choose not to. In terms of actual people, there are more poor whites, middle class whites, and upper class whites than anything else in the country. So any discussion of class disparity is predominantly a white on white discussion. You can obviously bring in race if you want to, but at its core class disparity is not a racial discussion. But, in the immortal words of Adam Duritz, no one notices the contrast of white on white.

 

[PhDeac]

But poor whites are more likely to align with wealthy white people due to race and blame their problems on immigrants poor people of other races. They’re the ones making it about race and rejecting class solidarity across races.

 

[ConnorEl]

Good grief.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

I disagee with conflating active, intentional political alignment with passive non-participation. Are we condemning people for supporting racist policies and upholding racist social structures, or are we condemning them for not destroying them? If it’s the 2nd, we are all guilty of upholding
unjust systems. The statement that people are “rejecting” class solidarity is a tremendous, subjective belief that people are even aware of class solidarity as an available political option.

IMO it requires a certain bourgeoisie bias to believe that Democrat liberalism is a compelling or trustworthy political/social alternative to rural conservatism.

 

[PhDeac]

Who's talking about "passive non-participation?"

"tremendous, subjective belief that people are even aware of class solidarity as an available political option."

What do you think class solidarity if it's something people don't know what it is?

 

[Frosty]

Kind of remarkable that less than 100 years ago there were multiple instances of union miners shooting it out with the national guard in the hills to fight for workers' rights and the legacy of all this is some ginger bitching about people on welfare and bosiding things.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

Kind of remarkable that less than 100 years ago there were multiple instances of union miners shooting it out with the national guard in the hills to fight for workers' rights and the legacy of all this is some ginger bitching about people on welfare and bosiding things.

if he hadn't complained about fat people on welfare, would this song have been less divisive

 

[Frosty]

if he hadn't complained about fat people on welfare, would this song have been less divisive

The minors on islands line is pretty qanon-y, so probably not

 

[PhDeac]

The minors on islands line is pretty qanon-y, so probably not

Epstein Island was real and horrific and not nearly enough people have been punished for it. Yet somehow it’s something right-wings pretend to be mad about while right wing elites like Trump get away with it.

 

[Deacsfan27]

Sure you can, you just choose not to. In terms of actual people, there are more poor whites, middle class whites, and upper class whites than anything else in the country. So any discussion of class disparity is predominantly a white on white discussion. You can obviously bring in race if you want to, but at its core class disparity is not a racial discussion. But, in the immortal words of Adam Duritz, no one notices the contrast of white on white.

I tell ya what isn't going to solve poor white people's problems - continuing to vote for Republicans. They consistently vote against their own macro self-interests because they side with the identity politics of the modern-day GOP.

 

[2&2 Slider To Leyritz]

I tell ya what isn't going to solve poor white people's problems - continuing to vote for Republicans. They consistently vote against their own macro self-interests because they side with the identity politics of the modern-day GOP.

Perhaps they would disagree with you as to what their problems and self-interests actually are. But I'm sure they are excited to hear the liberal elite tell them what they should be.

 

[ConnorEl]

"people like you and people like me”

lol

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

really wish you all would expend an ounce of effort not summarizing the motivations or character of entire regions and subgroups of people based on the binary choices of voters. It’s really not that difficult to understand. The percentage of people you all spend so much time talking about, voters who are politically active and ideologically aware, is relatively small. Very many people don’t vote because they can’t or don’t feel the need to vote, and many people who do vote don’t know Jack shit about policy and are just following social pressure from their family, peers, and community. To much of America this is all just cultural sports.

 

[PhDeac]

really wish you all would expend an ounce of effort not summarizing the motivations or character of entire regions and subgroups of people based on the binary choices of voters.

Plenty of us grew up in the rural South and are drawing from personal experiences. Don’t act like you’re the only one.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Plenty of us grew up in the rural South and are drawing from personal experiences. Don’t act like you’re the only one.

Claim anecdotes all you want, just because you are extremely politically engaged, it doesn’t mean most other voters are as well. In fact, they are not.

12. Political engagement among typology groups

The typology groups at either end of the political spectrum, Faith and Flag Conservatives and Progressive Left, are also the most politically engaged –

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Deacsfan27]

I'm not arguing whether or not somebody is politically engaged. Every vote counts the same. Plenty of people in America vote against their own interests.

 

[PhDeac]

I'm not arguing whether or not somebody is politically engaged. Every vote counts the same. Plenty of people in America vote against their own interests.

MDMH is the only one talking about lack of political engagement. The rest of us are talking about engaged poor rural Republicans.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

MDMH is the only one talking about lack of political engagement. The rest of us are talking about engaged poor rural Republicans.

of course you are. You’re lazily using a relatively small group of voters to villainize an entire region where that small group lives. It’s asanine and ridiculous for you to say these people reject class solidarity just because they don’t vote for Democrats.