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duke Game Thread (Thursday, 7:30, ESPN)

TimmyClutch said:
I know people think I have an agenda against Mitch, and I will admit that his accuracy was better last night than it has been most of the season. If you look at the passing line 16-19 for 241, that should be a wow. That is impressive. There were still bonehead plays that cost us the game. We still only went 5-13 on 3rd downs. There were still key turnovers, there was still the indecisiveness in the pocket, and the lack of awareness. It sucks to out play a team, but then let dumb mistakes beat you, especially in a rivalry game, and playing against a freshmen making his first start ever.

Wake got beat in all 3 phases of the game last night. We cant even say we are a well coached team right now. There is no talent gap between Wake and Duke, they just are better coached and made fewer mistakes.
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Not the team Duke put on the field last night, but at full strength they are more talented, especially at QB. They should’ve beaten Notre Dame, at our best we don’t stay within 3 touchdowns of Notre Dame.
 
liveanddiedeac said:
Not the team Duke put on the field last night, but at full strength they are more talented, especially at QB. They should’ve beaten Notre Dame, at our best we don’t stay within 3 touchdowns of Notre Dame.
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Yep. We had our chance last night and blew it.

Beat state and syracuse for a bowl or end the season.
 
TimmyClutch said:
I know people think I have an agenda against Mitch, and I will admit that his accuracy was better last night than it has been most of the season. If you look at the passing line 16-19 for 241, that should be a wow. That is impressive. There were still bonehead plays that cost us the game. We still only went 5-13 on 3rd downs. There were still key turnovers, there was still the indecisiveness in the pocket, and the lack of awareness. It sucks to out play a team, but then let dumb mistakes beat you, especially in a rivalry game, and playing against a freshmen making his first start ever.

Wake got beat in all 3 phases of the game last night. We cant even say we are a well coached team right now. There is no talent gap between Wake and Duke, they just are better coached and made fewer mistakes.
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How does 16-19 passing and RBs rushing 28 times for 104 yards result in only 5-13 on 3rd down? Lack of short yardage success and a QB who holds on to the ball too long and turtles in the pocket.
 
morrison2951 said:
Yep. We had our chance last night and blew it.

Beat state and syracuse for a bowl or end the season.
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I just don’t think we come back after last night and beat State. They’re beatable, but even with their struggles at QB, they have the advantage there and their defense will give us problems.
 
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liveanddiedeac said:
I just don’t think we come back after last night amd beat State. They’re beatable, but even with their struggles at QB, they have the advantage there and their defense will give us problems.
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Yep. I sadly see no way we win. Then we get destroyed by ND and play Cuse in a game where neither team wants to be there.
 
I have to be honest. If this game had been on Saturday at noon, I probably wouldn't have watched much of it and would have wound up perfectly happy with that decision.
 
I think it would be totally fair if Currie asks Clawson about his OC and whether it's time to find another one. A fair question for a boss to ask.
 
Biff Ochocinco Tannen said:
The missed field goals were terrible, but the lack of imagination in the Red Zone playcalling last night is what really did us in.
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Red zone production has been horrible all year but it's mindboggling that the piss poor defensive gameplan and execution continues to get a pass.

Duke's primary RB's (Moore & Waters) rushed for 5+ yards per carry with a 3rd string true freshman QB making his first start.
 
nobody is giving the defense a pass

it took a comprehensive effort of suck from offense, defense, special teams, coaches, players, support personnel to manage to lose a game to a 3rd-string quarterback playing for a team missing 7 other starters
 
TheAbster said:
I think it would be totally fair if Currie asks Clawson about his OC and whether it's time to find another one. A fair question for a boss to ask.
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Not sure getting rid of the only coordinator with a track record of success is the way to go here.

A better question would be why our 3rd defensive coordinator hire in a row continues to allow struggling offenses to miraculously "get right" when playing against Wake
 
Duke's 10 4th quarter points came on drives of 54 yards for a TD and 48 yards and a FG. The FG drive was embarrassing, but the offense gave Duke a short field on both of those drives.
 
I would disagree that Wake got beat in all three phases of the game. Special Teams absolutely. We outgained them 400-257 and 6 to 4.5 yards a play, had a more successful 3rd down rate, had a higher red zone success rate (this was basically a tossup though) and lost the turnover battle. The two turnovers, the two missed field goals, and the idiotic penalties on their last two scoring drives were the difference.

It doesn't matter at all since we lost but I'd imagine on the "how badly did we lose" chart and post game win expectancy charts that we "did not lose badly at all" and "should have won" based on how the game played out. Of course this gets into why did we lose and I think you don't have to look much beyond ill timed Mitch Griffis, bad kicking, dumb defensive plays, and somem questionable coaching decisions.
 
PhDeac said:
How does 16-19 passing and RBs rushing 28 times for 104 yards result in only 5-13 on 3rd down? Lack of short yardage success and a QB who holds on to the ball too long and turtles in the pocket.
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Lol "turtles in the pocket." That is exactly what he does
 
TheAbster said:
This post is weird. You claim Clawson isn't the problem but state we need a total rebuild in year #10. Let' just think about that one for a bit.
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But in year what of NIL and transfers run amuck? We know that Clawson can build a program. He has done it everywhere. And for all the talk of "Can he sustain one?", I think that has been answered as well. Year 10, as you said.

The larger issue is can a school like Wake sustain itself in the new era of CFB? We simply cannot compete when it comes to NIL, and even if we could, all things being equal would you take NIL to go to Wake or to a blue blood or perennial top 25 school? We got a nice donation and made some great facilities, but kids give two shits about facilities now. The facilities race is over and $ is being diverted to NIL.

What I am anticipating is that when Wake has a bad season, the kids who can play will go elsewhere. Hell, that temptation is there after we have a good season too. Not all of them, but it's not like we can afford to lose many. Is that the fault of Clawson? The CFB landscape wasn't like that when he signed up. We run a gimmicky offense. Outside of the WRs, who with pro potential wants to stay running a slow mesh if they've got something to prove to the NFL? Defense is more traditional, but any player standing out on D at Wake is going to be portal bait.

So we can chirp about Clawson all we want, but we have been fortunate to find two coaches consecutively who were content to stay at Wake. Sure, Grobe became complacent. Maybe Clawson too, but that hasn't been established. And in the NIL universe, how many coaches out there will want to take on a project like Wake and then stick around once they've made something out of it? This is uncharted territory.
 
My favorite play from last night, FWIW, was on 4th and short running our slowest back parallel to the LOS. I refuse to believe that was the actual play call and think that the OL just buckled and forced him to run that way, but a few F bombs may have been yelled about that call.
 
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