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MBB Game 19: @ UNC - Monday 7pm - ESPN

mako1331 said:
One thing that I'm not a fan of, especially seeing the lack of adjustment after it has torched us in 2 out of the last three games, is our insistence on continuing to fight over the top of the screens. I know we're trying to limit 3 point looks, but Boopie especially is getting held out of position for way too long and then Reid or Carr are just getting absolutely torched on the switch. Davis probably had 18 or 20 just on this alone last night. Also, as good as Reid is on 1v1 post defense, he seemingly always makes the wrong decision when it comes time to help on penetration.
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I agree with this assessment, but then again not every team is going to have an RJ Davis that can just torch the drop coverage.

I kinda think that Forbes is setting up defense this way primarily to avoid Reid getting into foul trouble by picking up fouls trying to hedge on screens. Playing drop coverage and forcing teams to make floaters and pull up 2s at the very least minimizes the chances of Reid picking up a foul. And the way this team is constructed, foul trouble for Reid is about the worst problem possible.
 
deacon14 said:
I agree with this assessment, but then again not every team is going to have an RJ Davis that can just torch the drop coverage.

I kinda think that Forbes is setting up defense this way primarily to avoid Reid getting into foul trouble by picking up fouls trying to hedge on screens. Playing drop coverage and forcing teams to make floaters and pull up 2s at the very least minimizes the chances of Reid picking up a foul. And the way this team is constructed, foul trouble for Reid is about the worst problem possible.
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Yeah, this is valid as well. And I guess if it's a fundamental that you've been teaching all year, it's difficult to just go away from it in the middle of the game. But defensively in this and the state game it was by far our biggest liability.
 
mako1331 said:
Yeah, this is valid as well. And I guess if it's a fundamental that you've been teaching all year, it's difficult to just go away from it in the middle of the game. But defensively in this and the state game it was by far our biggest liability.
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It is definitely more than just RJ. The Pack guard looked like he had a layup drill set up to get into paint and make the easy floater time after time. It kept them in the game and we seemed ok with giving up easy buckets. Taylor maybe? The D plan is not working.
 
LexDeac said:
I think Carolina can win the title this year. Their guards are damn good. I thought our bigs did a good job last night besides Reid stepping out and taking those threes. We have other guys to take those shots. Cam’s mins need to be reduced significantly, thought he shot us out of the game when they went on that run in the second half. Defensively we’re just giving them wide open jump shots and runners in the lane and that has killed us in the State and UNC games. I’d like to see Parker get more of Cam’s mins until Monsanto gets ramped up. Love the way Parker plays and he does a good enough job defensively imo.
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Reid shooting a 3 (or long 2) shouldn't happen unless its late in the shot clock. Maybe he makes them in practice, but his in-game % is too low.
 
Losing to arguably the #1 team in the country on the road does not worry me. There are many left for the taking.

What concerns me is how we appeared to lose our composure in the 2nd half.

Onward and upward!

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saltydeac said:
It is definitely more than just RJ. The Pack guard looked like he had a layup drill set up to get into paint and make the easy floater time after time. It kept them in the game and we seemed ok with giving up easy buckets. Taylor maybe? The D plan is not working.
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Easy there, chief. Doofus has told us that as long as we keep running the opposition off the three point line and guard the hoop, we are taking away the best shots in basketball and we'll be fine. Never mind that to pretty much any high D-1 caliber player, a midrange jumper/floater with nobody within 5 feet of him is as good as a layup. Always remember that stats win games, not players!
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Easy there, chief. Doofus has told us that as long as we keep running the opposition off the three point line and guard the hoop, we are taking away the best shots in basketball and we'll be fine. Never mind that to pretty much any high D-1 caliber player, a midrange jumper/floater with nobody within 5 feet of him is as good as a layup. Always remember that stats win games, not players!
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You're an idiot.

Even with RJ Davis going off on the open looks (which, yes, I am sure that Forbes wants better defense than that), UNC was 17/30 from mid-range (1.13 PPP), and 5/15 from 3 (1 PPP), so they were getting .13 more of a basket every time we allowed that to happen instead of a 3. So even in a game where Davis absolutely cooked us, and most of them were open 2's where we provided little resistance, it only comes out to that.
 
mako1331 said:
One thing that I'm not a fan of, especially seeing the lack of adjustment after it has torched us in 2 out of the last three games, is our insistence on continuing to fight over the top of the screens. I know we're trying to limit 3 point looks, but Boopie especially is getting held out of position for way too long and then Reid or Carr are just getting absolutely torched on the switch. Davis probably had 18 or 20 just on this alone last night. Also, as good as Reid is on 1v1 post defense, he seemingly always makes the wrong decision when it comes time to help on penetration.
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yeah, Reid is a good athlete, but his instincts are poor

his help defense is surprisingly bad
 
mako1331 said:
One thing that I'm not a fan of, especially seeing the lack of adjustment after it has torched us in 2 out of the last three games, is our insistence on continuing to fight over the top of the screens. I know we're trying to limit 3 point looks, but Boopie especially is getting held out of position for way too long and then Reid or Carr are just getting absolutely torched on the switch. Davis probably had 18 or 20 just on this alone last night. Also, as good as Reid is on 1v1 post defense, he seemingly always makes the wrong decision when it comes time to help on penetration.
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deacon14 said:
I agree with this assessment, but then again not every team is going to have an RJ Davis that can just torch the drop coverage.

I kinda think that Forbes is setting up defense this way primarily to avoid Reid getting into foul trouble by picking up fouls trying to hedge on screens. Playing drop coverage and forcing teams to make floaters and pull up 2s at the very least minimizes the chances of Reid picking up a foul. And the way this team is constructed, foul trouble for Reid is about the worst problem possible.
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mako1331 said:
Yeah, this is valid as well. And I guess if it's a fundamental that you've been teaching all year, it's difficult to just go away from it in the middle of the game. But defensively in this and the state game it was by far our biggest liability.
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Agree with this. UNC ran the same play over and over and I agree that Reid did a really bad job of playing it. We have definitely shown we are fine to give up medium range 2s, but not giving up uncontested layups which happened over and over. Reid ill-advisedly helped a few times early but then I thought he got really gun-shy and wasn't providing any resistance. (and then one of the few times he did come over in the second half was when we actually had the guard defended closely which made me facepalm)

But I think it's probably new for him, something I would think film review and experience help a lot with.
 
I think Reid was scared to get fouls called. It seemed like every time he stepped up to try to cut off the drive, he either got called for a foul, or nobody helped the helper and his guy was left open.
 
deac03 said:
Huge blow to our chances. I think we were 40% chance going into game. Prob around 20-25% now. 9-3 is absolutely best case scenario. Would need to win 2 games in tournament. I just don’t see it. Wouldn’t be surprised if we lose out on the road
Boopie is absolutely done
Cam has become a detriment - and was heading that way before the injury
We need Monsanto to catch fire and Ituka to give us 15-25 solid minutes at PG
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Couldn't disagree more with almost all of that.

Losing to number 3 on the road does not impact our odds of making the tournament.
We will not lose all the remaining road games. This team is still learning how to use all its parts, as well as play together. We've been competitive with the last three teams we lost to on the road, and all three are in the top 5 of the league.
Cam is not a detriment, and definitely wasn't before the injury. Yes, he sometimes is too aggressive, but he does so much for the team. Our fans have always seemed to pick on him more than others. I think every coach in the league would like a player like him on their team. That being said, with the injury reducing his shooting, I do think when Damari can play more minutes that Cam's can be cut back some.
Counting on Ituka for 15-25 solid minutes when we have never seen him play effective ACC basketball is simply a dream. Just playing 5-10 minutes would be extremely beneficial.

But I agree that a hot (and healthy) Monsanto is critical to get over the road hump we have not yet achieved.
 
TheAbster said:
Losing to arguably the #1 team in the country on the road does not worry me. There are many left for the taking.

What concerns me is how we appeared to lose our composure in the 2nd half.

Onward and upward!

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Yup agreed. Had some heat of the moment worries but I think we're still fine moving forward.

Really not sure what happened in the second half because we truly looked awful (I'd say the worst we've looked thus far) but definitely not the identity of this team in any way. Lots to figure out in these next 10 days but I believe Forbes and crew will get things resolved in time. I also think we're a much better team than Pitt - and going off of that, Pitt got wrecked by Duke a couple weeks ago at home and still somehow managed to beat them in Cameron on Saturday. Bad games happen to every team

Plus UNC looks SO damn good. If we run into them again in the ACCT - maybe we'll end up pulling a Pitt against them once we straighten out our second half defensive struggles.
 
love me some sunshine brigade. Always good for a chuckle.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
yeah, Reid is a good athlete, but his instincts are poor

his help defense is surprisingly bad
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Not enough minutes at a high level in his career. But I think he's been getting better and will continue to do so. I hope he realizes he needs another year to really improve.
 
deac03 said:
love me some sunshine brigade. Always good for a chuckle.
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We were like 53% to make it yesterday. 47% today. Still favored to be alone in 3rd in the ACC.

At Pitt, At UVA, At VT, and Duke at home will largely determine the season. 9 or 10 home wins, 4 or 5 road wins.

Also the stakes in that last game of the season against Clemson at home should be pretty high. That’ll be a fun one too.
 
TheIshThatSaved WakeForest said:
We were like 53% to make it yesterday. 47% today. Still favored to be alone in 3rd in the ACC.

At Pitt, At UVA, At VT, and Duke at home will largely determine the season. 9 or 10 home wins, 4 or 5 road wins.

Also the stakes in that last game of the season against Clemson at home should be pretty high. That’ll be a fun one too.
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I understand the “opportunity” ahead. Forget about the second half yesterday. Wipe it away. What about our road performance has yielded any sort of confidence in our ability to play well away from the Joel? Our point guard has disappeared. Cam is injured and can’t hit the rim. We have to defend our home turf and steal some road wins. I understand GT ND and maybe UVa look gettable. But what fan who has any sort of history pulling for MSD goes into those games extremely confident? Especially when our offense (shit ass Louisville aside) has become so stagnant. Perhaps these 9 days are just what we need - I pray so. But forgive my pessimism after the last couple of weeks of road game shitting-down-our-legs.
 
I mean, we could easily be 3-1 on the road in the ACC, while playing the top 3 teams record wise currently in the ACC (along with BC). I 100% get the "coulda/shoulda/woulda", but I don't know how you watched us play our four road games and ask the question of "what has yielded any sort of confidence in our ability to play well away from the Joel".

Up 10 with under 10 against State, tied with FSU at the 6 minute mark. Obviously we were up 1 at the half last night. The first two games were easily winnable.

Our "stagnant" offense is the 5th most efficient offense in ACC play, and 31st in the nation for the entire season.

I am convinced some of you aren't watching the same games that I am and just want to be pessimistic for fun.
 
every road game we have left other than duke is gettable.

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