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Just watched Tyler Lewis

Doggus said:
I hear he disciplines kids who get a rebound. I'm sure that's what he's preaching at half time and why we're bringing in 5 players next year that are 6-6" or taller. Probably all the little guys he wanted were taken by State first.
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NCSt should have a very good team next season. As you know, not all our tall recruits will likely be ready for the ACC unless they get a lot stronger. Thomas,Moto and Codi seem more ready than the others on that scale.
 
Lectro said:
What a load of horseshit. The guy is a 'foundation type" -- you can't 'speak it' but he's only here for 5 years and then Wellman makes a legacy hire (his own legacy). [Redacted] was the right fit for a program that had lost its light -- a freewheeling man for all seasons who dropped dead... Now pay attention -- the guy that replaced him was a 'good lieutenant" but did not have either the ability or the fortitude to tell his kids that they were fucking up and playing one on one basketball. The kids ran the program and the coach lacked discipline on and off the court. Now then, at the 2 schools down the road you can roll out AAU talent but never - ever is a ballplayer bigger than the program and you see it when the coach at either university takes a star to the side and chews him out for all to see. Those guys are coaches. Dino was no fucking coach. He was a poor baby-sitter and when you came home you found out that the kids were all outside and a couple of them were peddaling weed and enrolled in a thug program for minors. That last program -- sans Skip who would jerk a knot in yer ass if you f'ked up-- was headed for some major embarrassment which is what happens when you have no CODE.

That's all Jeff is...he's no world beater or one hit wonder...he is a CODE guy...the guy in the military who they send in to instill discipline in a troop gone off the rails. He is here to do a job and then make way...

Neg Rep the Hell out of me...who gives a shit, but I guaran-damn-tee that the 'alleged incident' with the girl in the band would have become the norm as long as that previous coach remained seated on his hands.
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I may be in the minority - but I think our season last year was a "major embarrassment" for our program and I'm not feeling much better about this year. I'm also not sure about this "CODE" thing - seems to me that some of the biggest issues (JTT, MT, + TW) all occurred under the watch of General [Redacted].

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Lectro said:
Nevermind the knot-heads -- racerdeac can't understand that discipline is not necessarily the screaming type... He also can't understand that the discipline at WF had entirely eroded (the reason Gaudio was fired) and that without a stabilizing figure the program was heading toward public embarrassment... I don't know what it would have been but there was a gulf forming between the student body and the basketball athletes and that never works out well.

Just get the Greensboro paper this morning and see the pic of Buzz and Daniel Green. Buzz is in his face and has his hand pressed against Green's chest. Dino never fuckin disciplined anybody.
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I have seen Dino discipline numerous players.
 
deaclite said:
NCSt should have a very good team next season. As you know, not all our tall recruits will likely be ready for the ACC unless they get a lot stronger. Thomas,Moto and Codi seem more ready than the others on that scale.
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I don't disagree. But sometimes we play a 3 guard offense where our SF is 6-3, PF is 6-6 and our center plays like a 6-6 guy. We have no girth and the only guy on the team I'd say who doesn't have below average thickness for his position is Chennault. Offensive rebounding is clearly not Bz top priority as he seems to value getting back on D or just realizes it's not a strength of the current squad and doesn't want to get burned trying foolishly.
There isn't an excuse for not getting defensive rebounds but I think that's more our personnel than a strategy of the coach. Maybe he could do better if he threatened them with less PT but that would be even worse. Hopefully having Ty and Daniel Green back will help our numbers a bit.
 
sailordeac said:
It is of course possible, perhaps even probable, that Wellman told Dino to improve in the area of player discipline and it didn't happen.
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So who were the trouble makers.....LD ? Ish? CJ? Nikita? Who were they?
 
Doggus said:
I don't disagree. But sometimes we play a 3 guard offense where our SF is 6-3, PF is 6-6 and our center plays like a 6-6 guy. We have no girth and the only guy on the team I'd say who doesn't have below average thickness for his position is Chennault. Offensive rebounding is clearly not Bz top priority as he seems to value getting back on D or just realizes it's not a strength of the current squad and doesn't want to get burned trying foolishly.
There isn't an excuse for not getting defensive rebounds but I think that's more our personnel than a strategy of the coach. Maybe he could do better if he threatened them with less PT but that would be even worse. Hopefully having Ty and Daniel Green back will help our numbers a bit.
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Good points, but his offensive schemes don't give me a lot of confidence.
 
Just to state a fact: Wake Forest ranks 33rd in the country in effective height (average height of the center and power forward positions), and 55th in average height (77.4").

We are not small by any means, we just do not run an offensive scheme that is conducive to rebounding. To continue to harp on rebounding is just something that isn't going to change that much unless if we change something for our 3-4-5 guys to be inside when shots go up. It is clear (seemingly only to a few people) that this is how it is going to be. To continue to be concerned about it is really just a waste of time and energy.

I would be more concerned about how effective we are going to be shooting the ball, because that is what will give us wins and losses. The offense has to give us open looks, and we have to make them, because we aren't going to be getting many 2nd chances at the basket.
 
People act like there are all these offense out there and Bz has chosen some obscure, boring offense made for white guys in the 50's.

There are very few basic half court offensive structures, and the motion offense is one of the most popular. The only variations are the number of players on the perimeter, and that is adaptable give who is on your team. Shocking that Bz would decide on a 5-out motion offense given our glut of effective post players. Maybe he can't teach it to our players, although he has had highly ranked offenses in the past. I suspect personnel has something to do with it as well.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Just to state a fact: Wake Forest ranks 33rd in the country in effective height (average height of the center and power forward positions), and 55th in average height (77.4").

We are not small by any means, we just do not run an offensive scheme that is conducive to rebounding. To continue to harp on rebounding is just something that isn't going to change that much unless if we change something for our 3-4-5 guys to be inside when shots go up. It is clear (seemingly only to a few people) that this is how it is going to be. To continue to be concerned about it is really just a waste of time and energy.

I would be more concerned about how effective we are going to be shooting the ball, because that is what will give us wins and losses. The offense has to give us open looks, and we have to make them, because we aren't going to be getting many 2nd chances at the basket.
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Carson and Daniel are tall but that doesn't mean they have the right size to rebound.

ETA also we are also a terrible defensive rebounding team, that has nothing to do with what offense we run.
 
Bzzz's teams have ranked 300 or worse in offensive rebounding every year since his 1st AF team.

Pretty clear his offense sets don't stress offensive rebounding, regardless of the lip service he gave deacfreke on the radio show a couple of weeks ago.
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
Carson and Daniel are tall but that doesn't mean they have the right size to rebound.

ETA also we are also a terrible defensive rebounding team, that has nothing to do with what offense we run.
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I would argue that the defensive numbers demonstrate how good of a rebounding team we are (which is slightly below average @ 180). IMO we aren't even trying on offense, despite what Coach said a couple of weeks ago. There is nothing wrong with that to me, it just means that we have to make shots.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Just to state a fact: Wake Forest ranks 33rd in the country in effective height (average height of the center and power forward positions), and 55th in average height (77.4").

We are not small by any means, we just do not run an offensive scheme that is conducive to rebounding. To continue to harp on rebounding is just something that isn't going to change that much unless if we change something for our 3-4-5 guys to be inside when shots go up. It is clear (seemingly only to a few people) that this is how it is going to be. To continue to be concerned about it is really just a waste of time and energy.

I would be more concerned about how effective we are going to be shooting the ball, because that is what will give us wins and losses. The offense has to give us open looks, and we have to make them, because we aren't going to be getting many 2nd chances at the basket.
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To respond to the person that left me the following negrep (which is actually a very reasonable question):

"because it's going to be a consistent problem because of the offense you shouldn't complain about it? Wow. Stick to quoting kenpom"

You can complain about it all you want, but as long as he is the head coach here it isn't going to change at all unless if he changes schemes in the next 2-3 years. We don't have to rebound well offensively to win games, but we do have to shoot well.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
I would argue that the defensive numbers demonstrate how good of a rebounding team we are (which is slightly below average @ 180). IMO we aren't even trying on offense, despite what Coach said a couple of weeks ago. There is nothing wrong with that to me, it just means that we have to make shots.
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So we are a poor defensive rebounding team and an atrocious offensive rebounding team.

The AF and Colorado rebounding numbers are bad, but is it a surprise that our lone good rebounder gets rebounds?
 
I could be wrong but suspect our average height includes Ty Walker so it's not exactly reflecting our season to date.
 
Fuck Your Couch said:
So we are a poor defensive rebounding team and an atrocious offensive rebounding team.

The AF and Colorado rebounding numbers are bad, but is it a surprise that our lone good rebounder gets rebounds?
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If anything I would say that Travis McKie is an example of somebody that is a good rebounder, but once he is put into the system that Coach [Redacted] runs (one that is not based on rebounding), he does not rebound as well.

Last year: 9.5 (OR%), (18.4 DR%)
This year: 6.5 (OR%), (12.6 DR%)

It's strange that his biggest dropoff has been defensively, but that could be attributed to being on the court for 10% more of the minutes, as well as substantially better rebounding by Mescheriakov this year (who has been highly undervalued in the rebounding department). CD has also picked up the pace defensively.
 
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Doggus said:
I could be wrong but suspect our average height includes Ty Walker so it's not exactly reflecting our season to date.
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It's not until he has played 10% of their teams minutes.

- Overall average height is computed by taking the average listed height of every player on the team, weighted by minutes played. Players that have played less than 10% of their team’s minutes are not included.
 
Well I'd say it has more to do with Nikita spending more time at the 4 versus Travis spending more time at the 3. That would explain both the offensive and defensive drops.
 
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