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If not Petersen (Boise), PSU on the record as interested in Grobe

ArlingtonDeac said:
I can't really see Penn State having a serious interest in Grobe. He's not the candidate he was back in 2007.
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Coach Jim Grobe is nowhere near the candidate he was when Arkansas was after him hard. Sure he has gone to five bowls but everybody in the country gets to go to a bowl now that two thirds of the teams go. Unless Penn State is just wanting a great guy with great morals to tide them over until they get through all this mess it is hard to imagine selling a .500 coach to Nittany Lion Nation.
 
Something to keep in mind about Penn State is that they probably never expected to have to hire outside the family to replace JoePa.
 
PhDeac said:
Something to keep in mind about Penn State is that they probably never expected to have to hire outside the family to replace JoePa.
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Not true at all. Even without the Sanduscky scandal, Tom Bradley was a 50/50 bet at best to succeed JoePa. Graham Spanier was not a big fan of Paterno's over the last 5 years and many expected him to want a clean break once Paterno retired.
 
Did "clean break" mean not hiring anybody who has been associated with the Penn State program or not hiring somebody on his current staff?

I'm talking about the former.
 
Penn State fans have never had to be sold on a coaching hire in their lives. No one really knows how they will react.
 
I believe Spanier had already decided the HC to follow Paterno would have no ties at all to Penn State - one of the reasons that Al Golden took the Miami job.

He also may have had some other odd wants in the next HC.
 
FreeStateDeac said:
Jim Grobe is a fine man and excellent representative of Wake Forest University, but he is grossly overpaid. That's not his fault, he parlayed one magical year and an offer from Arkansas into a cash killing. More power to him.

But if Penn State offers him the job, I really, really hope that Ron Wellman refuses to get into another bidding war and tells Grobe, "We're paying you every nickel we can afford, and I'm not raising it one nickel more. If that's not good enough, good luck to you."

BTW, had Grobe taken the Arkansas job, he would now be an ex-coach. No way he would have succeeded at the level Petrino has there (for one thing, Grobe is too honest for Arkansas.)

Grobe is at the one school in America that will pay him $2.5 million to be an honest coach.
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I thought this was a parody until I remembered Free State Deac posted after the Syracuse loss that Wake should de-emphasize football and redirect the funds to the other athletic programs.

Brilliant.
 
Bones McKinney said:
Unless Penn State is just wanting a great guy with great morals to tide them over until they get through all this mess it is hard to imagine selling a .500 coach to Nittany Lion Nation.
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LOL. People throw this ".500 coach" stat around as an attempt to discredit Grobe's accomplishments as head coach but all it does is illustrate that the poster has no clue about college football.

Context is very important here. Winning half your games at Ohio University and Wake Forest is an impressive accomplishment.
 
Who cares what Spanier thinks? He's been fired and will have no input into the next PSU coach. I'm still hearing rumors of Mullens to PSU but don't really buy into it. Most of my PSU alum friends have no idea who will be the next head coach.

Honestly, I feel bad for whoever the next PSU coach is. Unless the person performs well, which is doubtful considering the recruiting issues he will have to deal with, the next coach will probably only be there for about 5 years before he gets fired and PSU goes after an elite coach who might consider the job by that point.

For those who point out PSU hasn't been relevant for a while and their best days are behind them, that will actually be a selling point because the facilities, donors, and fan base are in place and the PSU name still carries weight on the recruiting trail (prior to the scandal). These things combined with the potential glory of returning PSU to prominence would be very tempting selling points.
 
Colonel Angus said:
LOL. People throw this ".500 coach" stat around as an attempt to discredit Grobe's accomplishments as head coach but all it does is illustrate that the poster has no clue about college football.

Context is very important here. Winning half your games at Ohio University and Wake Forest is an impressive accomplishment.
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So true. He'd be a good fit and he'd have a legit shot at an NC to cap off his career. If you want to clean house and rebuild your reputation as a program that does it right and wins Grobe is your guy.
 
Colonel Angus said:
LOL. People throw this ".500 coach" stat around as an attempt to discredit Grobe's accomplishments as head coach but all it does is illustrate that the poster has no clue about college football.

Context is very important here. Winning half your games at Ohio University and Wake Forest is an impressive accomplishment.
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Per the norm, you didn't bother reading what he actually wrote. The implication was that most Penn State fans wouldn't understand the context and thus would not be happy with the hire.
 
TBR said:
Per the norm, you didn't bother reading what he actually wrote. The implication was that most Penn State fans wouldn't understand the context and thus would not be happy with the hire.
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Beat me to it, TBR. No one--most of all, not a bunch of Wake fans--is saying that Grobe is just another .500 coach. It's that your average PSU fanboy wouldn't appreciate what Grobe's record truly means at schools like Ohio U and WFU, and that PSU's administration and AD will accordingly consider that in conducting their search.
 
TBR said:
Per the norm, you didn't bother reading what he actually wrote. The implication was that most Penn State fans wouldn't understand the context and thus would not be happy with the hire.
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Trolls don't read.
 
PhDeac said:
Did "clean break" mean not hiring anybody who has been associated with the Penn State program or not hiring somebody on his current staff?

I'm talking about the former.
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Doesn't matter either way.

There aren't many that aren't on the current staff, who do have Penn State ties that would even be considered. Munchak and Al Golden are probably the only 2 legitimate options in that category (Al Groh too old, Jim Caldwell sucks, Darren Perry never been a coordinator, Schiano no chance). Not many Penn State assistants leave for other opportunities. Bradley has been there for 30 years. Larry Johnson, Sr. has been there for 15 years, Vanderlinden has been there for 11 years. So the pool of qualified guys with Penn State ties is pretty small, which made it very unlikely a PSU guy would have been hired to succeed Paterno with or without the scandal.
 
Colonel Angus said:
I thought this was a parody until I remembered Free State Deac posted after the Syracuse loss that Wake should de-emphasize football and redirect the funds to the other athletic programs.

Brilliant.
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You are (at best) half-right. What I have said consistently is that there is a finite amount of money in the Wake athletic budget, and of the two revenue sports, football and basketball, our potential for national prominence in basketball is much higher. That's not a "brilliant" insight, it's obvious and based on a half-century track record.

Basketball is underfunded. We have hired the past two coaches on the cheap, neither one nationally prominent. We desperately need to upgrade the playing and practice facilities to match what other ACC schools have done recently (compare our facilities to UVA's JPJ Arena or Va Tech's new basketball practice facility).

There are a lot of reasons our basketball program is at its lowest level in decades, not all of which involve money, but money is a big factor. I would love to see numbers on our basketball recruiting budget versus Duke's, for example.

Football at Wake never has been a consistently profitable enterprise; for years basketball was our only profitable sport.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there needs to be a reallocation of funds within the finite Wake athletic budget. Grobe's salary is among the highest in the ACC, and for that we still don't have a football program that turns a profit, so it is clearly draining money from basketball. That's not an argument for "de-emphasizing" football, it's an argument for allocating capital where it will get its highest return.
 
Colonel Angus said:
LOL. People throw this ".500 coach" stat around as an attempt to discredit Grobe's accomplishments as head coach but all it does is illustrate that the poster has no clue about college football.

Context is very important here. Winning half your games at Ohio University and Wake Forest is an impressive accomplishment.
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TBR said:
Per the norm, you didn't bother reading what he actually wrote. The implication was that most Penn State fans wouldn't understand the context and thus would not be happy with the hire.
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PhDeac said:
Trolls don't read.
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Why is DeaconBrad such a flamer on these boards? I don't remember him being an idiot on the scout boards. Does anybody know?
 
deacswin said:
I can't imagine PSU fans being real happy with the hire if they took Grobe, but I would never blame him for taking the job. From a "clean image" standpoint, PSU couldn't do much better.
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I would be very happy, but then again, i don't think most of the PSU fan base knows much about WF Football. Like most fan bases, you have intelligent fans, and dumbasses. The intelligent ones will look at this as a strong first step to recovery.
 
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