Conditionally Pledging Money to the DC

[pinochadeac]

How much do you guys think Buzz's contract is worth? What kind of payout is Wake looking at if we have to break it?

I hope Wellman was smart enough to make the terms favorable for Wake, but who knows. He could have really fucked us and locked us into a contract with this bozo.

At some point, the payout is going to become miniscule when compared to the lost revenue. Think about all of the empty seats!! The lost concessions, souvineers, etc.. Buzz has turned the Joel into a ghost town.

At some point, Ron will not to be able to AFFORD to keep his buddy in town.

Sack up Buzz and resign.

 

[AnonymousDeac]

How many national titles have we won? Zero. In how many Final Fours have we competed? One.

Where in the hell did you guys get your Dukian sense of entitlement? In the history of college basketball, we are a never-hasbeen.

From listening to you guys, I can tell you one thing about our fanbase: This bunch of rich, coddled mama's boys doesn't know what it takes to EARN greatness.

Bzz has the work ethic and patience to get us back to prominence, but we can't even match his will? That is sad.

Seriously. Who do you people think we are going to hire if we shitcan Bzz?

Mods, I thought when a parody goes into the red, we out them.

 

[cookoutdeac]

Nonny, not sure how you've missed the multiple spots we've said that he doesn't appear to be a parody.

 

[IrishSlim]

When there are fewer teams in the tournament, the early games are harder to win....because you aren't playing a #13-#16 seed, for example.

Here is another way to look at that: Skip never beat a team in the NCAA Tournament that was seeded above him....and he lost to 2 teams that were seeded below him. (Auburn & West Virginia.) Tacy beat 2 teams in the NCAA Tournament that were seeded above him (Arkansas & DePaul)....and never lost to a team that was seeded below him.

Carl Tacy won more than 20 games against teams ranked in the Top 10. How many games did Skip win against teams ranked in the Top 10?

The truth of the matter is that Carl Tacy could coach circles around Skip. So could Dave Odom. Some of you guys are letting your emotions interfere with your ability to reason.


Note to Irish: Will you please answer my question? I answered your question.

Which question? Did I watch teams that existed before I was born? No. Have I read about Tacy a bunch, mainly because of your posts? Yes. And for someone accusing others of revisionist history, I must say, respectfully, you're guilty of the same. Most other posters who were around from that era aren't quite as ... dedicated as you are to Gentleman Carl, for some good reasons. If a coach wasn't willing to recruit in the ACC, there's not much else to say.

 

[RJKarl]

If you put Skip and Tacy together you are close to the perfect coach.

Skip loved everyone (well except Reff) and everyone loved Skip (same as before). He was a very good recruiter who loved being around people. He was an good game coach.

Tacy was a quite man but a very nice and honest man. He was a great game coach. He couold beat with his guys or your guys. Recruiting was a different game back then and he was exactly a salesman.

As to the silliness about COY, almost every team had an excellent coach in Tacy's day. that isn't the case today. Add to this their personalities and you have another big reason Tacy didn't win popularity contests.

 

[KeEpEr]

I'm down for $100 bucks if we can get a new HC in hoops.

Another $100 for a new OC in football.

Oh yeah, Tacy, Odom and Skip were all good coaches. Different, but all GOOD at their jobs - we were lucky to have all 3.

You don't like finishing third in the conference in football?

 

[KeEpEr]

Which question? Did I watch teams that existed before I was born? No. Have I read about Tacy a bunch, mainly because of your posts? Yes. And for someone accusing others of revisionist history, I must say, respectfully, you're guilty of the same. Most other posters who were around from that era aren't quite as ... dedicated as you are to Gentleman Carl, for some good reasons. If a coach wasn't willing to recruit in the ACC, there's not much else to say.

What do you mean by not willing to recruit in the ACC?

 

[DeaconBrews]

The lectro of basketball?

Quick! You and LK follow Ron Wellman and see who he hangs out with!

 

[EagleDeac]

Why do you care so much? Skip Prosser will always be more loved than Carl Tacy by true Deacon fans and rightfully so. Get over it.

 

[FreeStateDeac]

Skip was a warm, wonderful human being and a great showman for the program. He was not a great bench coach. His offensive strategy was "give Chris Paul the keys to the car and let him drive." His defensive strategy was "the quicker they score, the quicker I can give Chris Paul the keys to the car and let him drive." Then Chris Paul drove off two years early and we saw that Skip had not built a sustainable program.

Davey Odom was a great X's and O's coach if you love tenacious defense. Odom's strategy was to keep the game in the 50s and we would have a chance to beat teams with a lot more talent. Often we did. Davey was not the greatest recruiter, but not the worst either. Like Skip, he won the Powerball of recruiting with one NBA MVP who fell into his lap. Also like Skip, Odom could not parlay that NBA MVP into a Final Four or even an Elite 8 run.

Carl Tacy's teams were the best combination of run-and-gun offense and tenacious defense we've had in the modern (post 1970) era. Tacy himself was probably the best combo we've ever had of a good bench coach and decent (not great) recruiter. And it produced results: Tacy took us closer (twice) to a Final Four return than we've ever been since 1962.

I think that Tacy just got tired of putting up with the nascent AAU Starbaby culture that was coming on the scene in a big way in the mid-80s. He got sick of the prima donnas, the handlers, the posses, the greasy palms, then lost the team and just got out of coaching altogether. It was a shame, because I think if Carl Tacy had stayed hungry to build a consistently good, nationally ranked program, I firmly believe he could have done it and maintained it for many more years.

 

[ChrisL68]

It's amazing when you read some of the commentary on Tacy why he isn't between Rupp and Dean Smith in Springfield.

And then you look at his 30 game below .500 ACC record.

 

[IrishSlim]

Well, the purpose of my question was to expose your obvious hypocrisy when you said this:

"You weren't a fan during those years, how would you know anything about the Prosser era? Prosser's run and gun basketball would've blown any Tacy team out of the gym."

So, since I wasn't a "fan" during the Prosser era (though I did watch his teams play for the last three of his six seasons here) I couldn't possibly know anything about Prosser's teams. Yet in the next sentence, you state...point blank...that "Prosser's run and gun basketball would've blown any Tacy team out of the gym."....even though you admit that you never even saw a single Tacy team play.

Dean Smith-coached teams with Michael Jordan, James Worthy & Sam Perkins couldn't run Tacy's teams out of Carmichael.....but Skip Prosser's undisciplined playground-style ball could, huh? Yeah, right.

Simply put, Irish, you are totally full of shit. And if you can't see the hypocrisy in your post, you are also totally blind.

Cool story, Hansel. (That's a movie reference by the way, not a radio program reference.) I wasn't the one posturing about teams I had boycotted out of two decades-worth of petty spite. Why would Prosser's teams have beaten Tacy's? Because of 20 years of basketball and athlete advancement, you dolt. I was trolling you because you're as predictable as you are dense, blindly defending the past and lashing out at anyone who even remotely suggests they disagree. Simply put BKF, you are a crazy loon that doesn't realize he became a caricature of himself twenty years ago. Let go of your hate, before Death does it for you.

 

[RJKarl]

I didn't do it, but you do deserve negative rep for using a ZOOLANDER reference....it's even more negative to use towards Bob who couldn't possibly have heard of it...

 

[ChrisL68]

I like Tacy, but your damn hero worship is non-ending. He was a good coach, but you excuse every shortcoming he had (and he had some) and act like he could walk on water. Other coaches here, such as Odom, objectively performed much better than he did.

 

[deacvision7]

"gobbledygook"


Hhahahahahhahahahahahahaha. You're old.

 

[IrishSlim]

More bullshit from you....totally evading your ignorant post where you were totally exposed for your hypocrisy with some failed spinning about "20 years of basketball and athlete advancement", which is just meaningless gobbledygook. And how I feel about anything has nothing to do with the facts. You were just proven to have made a stupid statement, and you are, evidently, too vain to admit it.

So you don't think basketball players are more athletic now than they were in 1980? You don't think the game has progressed in terms of strategy and techniques? (Note: NOT asking what you preference is.) You don't think that Skip deserves credit for his 2003 coaching job? Oh wait! You wouldn't know anything about that! You were still pouting like a child, waiting for someone from the school to pat you on the head and give you a Lollipop.

 

[TheReff]

Trying to "condition" firing a coach on a $500 contribution is laughable. What if every small-timer tried to "condition" personnel changes on chump change contributions?

Ramp it up to Phil Knight money and they might listen to you.

True. Dare say $500 would move the needle at all. In fact it is doubtful $50,000 moves the needle.

 

[IrishSlim]

It seems to me that if you want to compare coaches, you have to compare accomplishments in like areas.

Skip - 1 ACC COY
Tacy - 0 ACC COY

Quantifiable and objective.

Shall we do NCAA Tourney wins next?

 

[coredeac]

True. Dare say $500 would move the needle at all. In fact it is doubtful $50,000 moves the needle.

Agreed. However, the point I think many are missing is a number of alums and fans are withdrawing from the program given the apathy that has onset. The volume may soon speak louder than the few with mega bucks.

 

[RJKarl]

Skip - 1 ACC COY
Tacy - 0 ACC COY

Quantifiable and objective.

Shall we do NCAA Tourney wins next?

COY is not objective. It's a popularity contest.

You'd lose RE:NCAAT wins...Skip won four NCAAT games...Tacy made two Elite8 and won games in each of his other appearances.

I knew both of them and liked both of them. Tacy was a better coach....

and no props for getting your Zoolander reference???