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2020 Democratic Presidential Primary

RJKarl said:
I think the 326 is starting point. I would not be at all surprised for Hillary to win NC, IA and MO. Remember MO has a Dem gov and one senator is dem.

I also wouldn't be shocked to see her win AZ.
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Just to jog everyone's memory, here is one of RJKarl's sage predictions from the last election. Hillary didn't win any of those 4 states....and she lost Missouri by 56% to 37%. You might want to keep this in mind anytime he professes to have an idea in hell about what is going to happen in the upcoming election.
 
RJKarl said:
I think I was like most of the polls saying 320 with a possibility of higher. Her laziness and arrogance destroyed her chances of winning. Also, she had a long-term huge number of haters. Biden doesn't have that.

You can't compare Biden, whom most people like, and Hillary who had a quarter of a century of people attacking her almost non-stop.
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So, whenever you have been proven wrong....which happens on a frequent basis....you just make up an excuse and walk away from what you said. Got it.
 
The idea that the Iraq War was deeply unpopular in 2004 is just not true.
 
MHBDemon said:
Breaking: the ruling class likes war.
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I voted for Kerry. Still doesn't change the fact that the Iraq War was not deeply unpopular in 2004 that didn't start really happening until like 2005-2006.
 
Also during 2004 the economy was growing at a 4% GDP clip. That's going to be hard to unseat an incumbent president.
 
ChrisL68 said:
I voted for Kerry. Still doesn't change the fact that the Iraq War was not deeply unpopular in 2004 that didn't start really happening until like 2005-2006.
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The wiki says An August 2004 poll showed that two-thirds (67%) of the American public believe the U.S. went to war based on incorrect assumptions. tho
 
Strickland33 said:
How did Warren voters decide to distribute their support, Ph?
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No idea what that has to do with what I posted.

MHBDemon said:
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Liberals don't think about socialists as a separate group as much as socialists think they do. Liberals generally think socialists are on the same team as them.
 
PhDeac said:
No idea what that has to do with what I posted.



Liberals don't think about socialists as a separate group as much as socialists think they do. Liberals generally think socialists are on the same team as them.
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I’m not a Bernie Bro and you were talking to me.
 
And then in September there was a CBS poll and said that the approval rating was 54%. There was never a huge amount of disapproval past partisan divide and Bush's approval ratings were always like 10 points favorable.
 
PhDeac said:
No. I gave an example of why believe women isn’t unconditional. Something we agree on it. You turned it into an extension of lynching justification.

We probably even agree that if Green Party voter joined Dems, they’d have more influence over the party.
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I know actual Green Party types (not to mention all of the other end of ballot weird parties that you haven't ever thought about as parties types). If they aren't voting for their weird ass parties, then most of them aren't voting at all. They may be ideological in similar places, but they aren't voting for Democrats.

OK, I thought about it and I think I'm annoyed because on a thread where everybody more or less agrees, you refuse to apply the critical lens that makes you a good poster (IMO) to the candidate we're all going to vote for anyway. It would just be great if you would admit that Joe Biden's record outside of his eight years with Barack Obama just isn't really that good. For every VAWA, there's a crime bill. For every "Middle Class Joe" there's the 2005 bill I posted about. For every "Trump is rapist-in-chief" there's a Tara Reade and history of unwanted sexual-lite contact.

I'll quit being a dick if you can just quit with the equivocating and in one post say what you really think about Joe Biden's record irrespective of Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump, etc.
 
It's not an election. If (ostensibly per the poll) 46% of the country doesn't approve of going to war, that's a pretty sizable part of the population. Why exactly are we talking about this?
 
ChrisL68 said:
And then in September there was a CBS poll and said that the approval rating was 54%. There was never a huge amount of disapproval past partisan divide and Bush's approval ratings were always like 10 points favorable.
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I think the point is that national politicians, particularly in Congress, had enough information that they could have made a more informed decision. The general public, thank the lord, doesn't make decisions like sending troops to die in foreign countries. I'll give Congress a break for Afghanistan, but Iraq was just pure unadulterated imperialist war games under the guise of national security and humanitarian aid.
 
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