ChrisL68
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he'll be rehabbed by the media + dems before 2028, same as W has been
Hot takes from the WF millenial graduate.
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he'll be rehabbed by the media + dems before 2028, same as W has been
Want to know what really fucks the GOP. It's Trump getting re-elected.
Assuming he loses how quickly will the GOP pivot away from him. It will be head snapping. Those who have tied their wagon to his car the hardest will be ruined.
Yeah, that really isn't how it works. Politicians are not stupid. So long as he's the President its a fucking silly dance for a lot of these guys. The GOP has a tent that Trump has shrunk. They know this. So they play to Trump now because they have to while putting enough stakes in the ground to distinguish themselves from him later. And how much each politician does this to a large degree contingent on a host of factors related to how they calculate maintaining their own job. As soon as it is hip to distance from Trump they'll all become more vocal. Some of these guys will be battling to become a standard bearer and to do that they all know the tent can't keep getting smaller. So . . .
Marco Rubio - Licks Trump's boots at a campaign rally
Also Marco Rubio - but just one example - Demands Trump be transparent about his Covid diagnosis for the good of the nation. Sounds silly but they all have to have green shoots of how they were critical to build any legitimacy.
Mitch McConnell - Pushes along Coney-Barrett in lock step with the President
Also Mitch McConnell - "I have not even been to the White House since Mid-August"
Very few of them are more stridently outspoken - Romney, that dude from Nebraska, etc. More of them will be shortly if he loses.
man i don't know on this one. and i don't think he'll carry himself in a way that will allow people to rehab him. W just kinda went away, Trump ain't gonna do that.
that said, i agree it's pretty surprising that everyone has conveniently "re-remembered" the W era. Trump was the greatest thing that ever happened to his reputation and honestly Barry took it pretty easy on him.
The GOP is Trump. The GOP pivot you've been 'waiting' for is not coming unless you expect them to pivot further into the abyss of fascism. The only real hope for America is the Democrats and people turning out in massive numbers for every election to support them; from local school board elections on up to the White House. The GOP is a hopeless mess of fascist and cowards. Can you name a single prominent republican that isn't whole-heartedly complicit? Perhaps guys like McConnell are just Machiavellian, hell bent on judicial appointments, that thought they could use Trump's populism to achieve some long dreamed goals then toss him and his idiocy by the way side, but that plan is dead. The GOP is a fascist party and any principled conservatives* needs to regroup and start a new party.
*fake news
Part of the problem for the GOP is that they didn't get as large an electoral defeat as was expected. They got smoked in the house. But they gained in the senate, in large part because so many Dems in the Senate were up in normally red or purple states.
And we all get that Trump likes to cut anyone off at the knees who goes against his will. If he loses that all changes very quickly. You'll have a party trying to redefine itself. How much time that takes will hinge a lot more on how the Dems play things (where do they give the GOP breathing room to carve out positions that paint the Dems as out of touch with popular opinion) vs. anything Trump does once he's gone.
Want to know what really fucks the GOP. It's Trump getting re-elected.
my hope is that the post-Trump GOP is even more disarray as they try to reconcile the Trumpers with the Lincoln Project types and fail badly
I thought the Lincoln Project are *pbbt* future dem voters
This -- just saw Lil Marco's ridiculous speech at a Trump rally and its clear he, and likely others, will try to emulate Trump's behavior going forward, not shift away from it. It's who they have always been underneath, and now they are just proudly coming out.
They lost the popular vote in senate races by 7 million in 2018, but gained seats because of geography. In response they fucking trippled down on the fascism shit and instead of distancing them selves from Trump, they lock stepped with him over impeachment, mocked public health guide lines from the CDC, defunded the post-office, and now the RNC is funding lawsuits across the country to throw out ballots. Your party is disaster, abandon it and start over.
I thought the Lincoln Project are *pbbt* future dem voters
I thought the Lincoln Project are *pbbt* future dem voters
I am assuming the media just wants to drive clicks and traffic as there have been way too many, the polls could be wrong again (by a 3x factor than last time and ignore any adjustment made), and the race may be tightening if you flip this poll on its side and align it just right with the sun. Like PA is between 5-7 points for Biden, the same as South Carolina's 5-7 points for Trump, and nobody in their right mind thinks Biden will even come close to winning SC. Along with hedging by forecasters, like if you are so scared that your job is dependent on the results of something you are trying to model and you don't believe in your model then you shouldn't be in modeling.
I honestly think this is a possible future. GOP continues moving right (Maybe Richard Spencer will rise to lead the party in the post Trump era?) and LP conservatives attempt a semi-hostile takeover of the DNC then move them to a center right party.
I am a tad worried given that the polls in states like FL, NC and AZ have been tightening over the last few days. Still think Biden takes NC and AZ, but if he were to lose all 3 by early Wed a.m., we could have a problem on our hands. Biden will win MI and WI, but PA will take the longest to count. Then we have the litigation. Biden simply has to win AZ and Omaha or NC, or we're in the courts over PA. And I don't trust SCOTUS. I need Deacman or Aaron Rodgers to tell me to relax and that this thing can't be stolen. I mean I still expect Biden will win the popular vote by 6-8%, but the EC could once again be a problem.
PA looks more, not less promising. FL similar. Over 100,000 vote lead for Dems heading into today after they posted sizable vote advantage yesterday.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/pennsylvania/