thatguy2016
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we know everything the NCAA does is 100% logical, so the argument ends there!
I'm not making a call on whether or not what they have done is logical, I am merely stating that it is objectively, 100% considered to be a tournament appearance if you make it to the First Four. That's irrefutable.we know everything the NCAA does is 100% logical, so the argument ends there!
fair!I'm not making a call on whether or not what they have done is logical, I am merely stating that it is objectively, 100% considered to be a tournament appearance if you make it to the First Four. That's irrefutable.
Exactly. The program isn't where it needs to be if we're arguing about this. And that's what matters.We all know that if you don't play Thurs/Fri it absolutely does not feel like you made the tourney. All you need to know. Put it on a banner, celebrate it whatever, but that aint it.
My take on it has nothing to do with Wake in 2017. That team did achieve something, the chance to play their way into the tournament. Which is the best result for a Wake season since 2010.None of the four Dayton games are called 'play-in' games. It's called the 'first four'. You may choose to call it whatever you want. A lot of emphasis here to call it 'play-in' or 'not counting as a bid' is because WF's coach in 2017, when WF played in the first four, is a reviled figure in WF sports. So, there is no chance that anything that happened during DM's tenure will be recognized as an achievement, that includes straining to dismiss the 2017 team as an NCAAT team.
“For more than twenty years, March Madness has had its tip-off in Dayton, Ohio. During this time, Dayton has hosted the ‘First Four’ or play-in games of the NCAA Division I men’s basketball tournament. As members of Ohio’s Congressional delegation, we offer our strong support of the University of Dayton’s application to continue that tradition,”
Counterpoint: this just feels like crazy talkI like the idea that coaching strategies, techniques, or motivational approaches can deliver an undefeated home record and excellent metrics while also somehow corrupting and preventing a team from winning road games.
It's particularly tricky in our case when such coaching failures are only occurring in the 2nd half of road games. And in fairness the minutes, personnel, positions, schemes - they've been pretty consistent in the 2nd half of road and home games, so the issue has to be a lack of creatively altering our approach in the 2nd half of road games now that we know we won't perform well given the same approach that has been 100% successful at home.
I like the idea because it would mean that all we have to do is make some minor change at the coaching level, and it's completely unrelated to our players or their performance. That sounds great. Sign me up for that fantasy world.
Or maybe sometimes you put together a solid tournament-level team, have a great plan and preparation, put everyone in a position to succeed - and the team simply doesn't perform. And there is no magic answer, no zone to switch to, no trick play on offense and no perfect speech to illicit extreme motivation.
so the last time wake played in the ACC semis was 2003, correct?
yep just noticed that2006
Why are they called “play-in” games if you are already in and why is the following round called the “first round”? Feels like cope to be defending it in this manner. If you don’t win you aren’t “in”.You understand how ridiculous it is to ignore what the NCAA says about the tournament they run and to instead depend on your own feelings about it right?
You can make the statement that you will not be satisfied with Dayton compared to getting into the field of 64, but you don't have to try to make the argument that it literally doesn't count as making the tournament.
The entire tournament is already single elimination - the play in games are distinctly not the first round of the tournament.
Definitely one of the most frustrating seasons I’ve seen. Team doesn’t make any fucking senseI think anyone who has followed this season is feeling at least a little crazy at this point.
Why are they called “play-in” games if you are already in and why is the following round called the “first round”? Feels like cope to be defending it in this manner. If you don’t win you aren’t “in”.
A bipartisan group of lawmakers from the Dayton area agrees that they are play-in games
Brown, Vance, Turner, Davidson Call on NCAA Men’s Basketball Committee to Continue Hosting March Madness Games in Dayton, Expand to First and Second Round in 2027 | U.S. Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio
WASHINGTON, D.C. – With March Madness quickly approaching, Ohio’s U.S. Senators Sherrod Brown (D-OH)...www.brown.senate.gov