Apathy

[EatLeadCommie]

I just don't understand the idea of being a die-hard WFU fan in a good year, but becoming "apathetic" as soon as the program hits a rocky stretch. You can be mad or angry, but that's still passion for the team. Complete apathy though? I can't really rationalize that as anything but jumping off the bandwagon.

It is called Retention Of Sanity. If I do not detach myself in some form or another and become apathetic, I will go apeshit.

 

[TBR]

Its not, aint even a mile from campus. everyone drives and that what i would do to, but dont complain about distance, it mine as well be on campus.

Actually, it is more than a mile. 1.5 miles from Poteat/Kitchen circle per Google Maps.

ETA: not saying it's far away because it isn't, but no need to make stuff up. I have done the walk to BB&T before and it wasn't too bad, but university isn't a fun road to walk next to, and it's nerve-wracking to cross it at Deacon BLVD, even during the day.

 

[ProbationDeac]

Oden, Conley and Cook made an agreement to all attend the same school. Cook took an unofficial visit to tO$U without the other two. Matta convinced him to verbal on that visit, with an important factor being he had a sick grandmother regionally who couldn't travel far to see him play. The other two eventually followed...whether it was by loyalty or lies from Matta's mouth we will never know.

That sounds right, I couldn't remember all the details. I knew that Cook was a big part of the reason they, Conley and Oden, went to OSU.

 

[RacerDeac]

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I'm talking about University. Don't know how you would avoid crossing it without going way out of the way.

Most sane people would cross University at Deacon Blvd. If you're running across 4 lanes of traffic in the middle of a curve down where Faculty Blvd runs into University, you deserve to get hit. Follow the sidewalk up University to Deacon Blvd and use the crossings and stop lights as intended. It's a 1.6 mile walk from the center of the quad to the doors of the Joel...I walk longer than that to grab lunch some days.

 

[TBR]

Most sane people would cross University at Deacon Blvd. If you're running across 4 lanes of traffic in the middle of a curve down where Faculty Blvd runs into University, you deserve to get hit. Follow the sidewalk up University to Deacon Blvd and use the crossings and stop lights as intended. It's a 1.6 mile walk from the center of the quad to the doors of the Joel...I walk longer than that to grab lunch some days.

That's what I was talking about, but I don't recall there being a cross walk there (and by that I mean a light controlled cross walk). Obviously I could be remembering wrong.

 

[ProbationDeac]

Actually, it is more than a mile. 1.5 miles from Poteat/Kitchen circle per Google Maps.

ETA: not saying it's far away because it isn't, but no need to make stuff up. I have done the walk to BB&T before and it wasn't too bad, but university isn't a fun road to walk next to, and it's nerve-wracking to cross it at Deacon BLVD, even during the day.

How many students seriously don't go to Wake basketball games due to the drive the Joel? To me that just seems like a convient excuse. I get the argument that you want to make the going to games as effortless as possible but I would be curious to see some data on how many Wake students that don't attend games use the transportation or location of the arena.

I think there's a valid argument to be made that Wake can't support and fill up a 14000 seat arena consistantly. Our attendence has been pretty good when we've had really good teams for ACC games but out of conference wise, even with our best teams, we've not filled up the Joel. Of course the past two years that's irrelevant with the performance of the team.

 

[RacerDeac]

That's what I was talking about, but I don't recall there being a cross walk there (and by that I mean a light controlled cross walk). Obviously I could be remembering wrong.

I don't remember whether there's one of those dinky hand/walking man signs, but there's a stop light. You don't need a walk/don't walk sign to tell you when it's safe to cross unless you have no idea how stoplights work.

 

[IamThunderbolt]

There is a crossing signal @ Deacon Blvd.

 

[Atlanta Deacon]

In 4 years I never walked to a basketball game but the walk to the stadium is shorter than the walk to some on campus arenas. Its not like its in Greensboro.

 

[BabyDeac75]

Oden, Conley and Cook made an agreement to all attend the same school. Cook took an unofficial visit to tO$U without the other two. Matta convinced him to verbal on that visit, with an important factor being he had a sick grandmother regionally who couldn't travel far to see him play. The other two eventually followed...whether it was by loyalty or lies from Matta's mouth we will never know.

Yep. Also, Skip told me a week or two after OCC committed that we were the runner up, but I never knew if that was literally true or just an indication of how close they were to coming here.

Going back a generation, if the admin had figured out a way to get Artis Gilmore in school like he wanted, I believe our entire basketball history would have been altered (favorably).

 

[BabyDeac75]

In 4 years I never walked to a basketball game but the walk to the stadium is shorter than the walk to some on campus arenas. Its not like its in Greensboro.

Yes ... and it's not like there is a shortage of students on campus with cars or that parking is an issue at the Joel.

 

[Say Hey Deac]

Here is my recollection:

For at least a year we heard nothing except how Mike Conley loved CP3, loved Wake, used to play using Wake Forest whenever he'd play video games, his dad loved Wake, etc. His cousin was a regular poster on the boards. It was going to happen.

Oden was apparently quiet and strange and wanted to go to school with Conley, so since Conley wanted Wake and Oden seemed like a unique, Tim Duncan-esque big man, that made sense.

Cook was the wildcard. He ended up taking a visit to tOSU and the evil genius Thad Matta got him to commit because Cook's grandma was old and ill and would be close by.

That swung all the momentum to tOSU. During their official visit, tOSU hosted #1 Illinois (who had previously beaten our #1 Deacs by 30 points earlier that season) and beat them in a raucous gym. This is a reason why I still hate Illinois to this day (same team ended up losing to UNC in the National Title game, thus solidly boning the Deacs 3x in the same season).

At that point, tOSU seemed to have it in the bag. There were rumors of negative recruiting by Matta against Wake. Then they committed to tOSU and everyone was all "OMG, what a great recruiting class!" It was awesome. Also, some folks printed up fliers and posted them all over campus when they visited.

 

[suck my deac]

It is called Retention Of Sanity. If I do not detach myself in some form or another and become apathetic, I will go apeshit.

yep...it's like learned helplessness: if you go through conditions of unavoidable punishment for long enough, you eventually stop fighting back. It isn't really apathy though...

 

[ProbationDeac]

Here is my recollection:

For at least a year we heard nothing except how Mike Conley loved CP3, loved Wake, used to play using Wake Forest whenever he'd play video games, his dad loved Wake, etc. His cousin was a regular poster on the boards. It was going to happen.

Oden was apparently quiet and strange and wanted to go to school with Conley, so since Conley wanted Wake and Oden seemed like a unique, Tim Duncan-esque big man, that made sense.

Cook was the wildcard. He ended up taking a visit to tOSU and the evil genius Thad Matta got him to commit because Cook's grandma was old and ill and would be close by.

That swung all the momentum to tOSU. During their official visit, tOSU hosted #1 Illinois (who had previously beaten our #1 Deacs by 30 points earlier that season) and beat them in a raucous gym. This is a reason why I still hate Illinois to this day (same team ended up losing to UNC in the National Title game, thus solidly boning the Deacs 3x in the same season).

At that point, tOSU seemed to have it in the bag. There were rumors of negative recruiting by Matta against Wake. Then they committed to tOSU and everyone was all "OMG, what a great recruiting class!" It was awesome. Also, some folks printed up fliers and posted them all over campus when they visited.

The part that hurt is Ohio State was national runner-up with Oden, Conley, and Cook while Wake is almost 50 years since our last Final 4 appearance.

 

[PhDeac]

Here is my recollection:

For at least a year we heard nothing except how Mike Conley loved CP3, loved Wake, used to play using Wake Forest whenever he'd play video games, his dad loved Wake, etc. His cousin was a regular poster on the boards. It was going to happen.

Oden was apparently quiet and strange and wanted to go to school with Conley, so since Conley wanted Wake and Oden seemed like a unique, Tim Duncan-esque big man, that made sense.

Cook was the wildcard. He ended up taking a visit to tOSU and the evil genius Thad Matta got him to commit because Cook's grandma was old and ill and would be close by.

That swung all the momentum to tOSU. During their official visit, tOSU hosted #1 Illinois (who had previously beaten our #1 Deacs by 30 points earlier that season) and beat them in a raucous gym. This is a reason why I still hate Illinois to this day (same team ended up losing to UNC in the National Title game, thus solidly boning the Deacs 3x in the same season).

At that point, tOSU seemed to have it in the bag. There were rumors of negative recruiting by Matta against Wake. Then they committed to tOSU and everyone was all "OMG, what a great recruiting class!" It was awesome. Also, some folks printed up fliers and posted them all over campus when they visited.

And throw in that we had high hopes for that class anyway by getting an early commit from Jamie Skeen. Even without getting OCC, people thought this was going to be a great class. We lost so many players besides OCC in that class. I remember going through the RSCI for that class and counting at least 10 players we were supposedly in the running for and didn't get.

 

[bym051d]

Going back a generation, if the admin had figured out a way to get Artis Gilmore in school like he wanted, I believe our entire basketball history would have been altered (favorably).

Just curious, but why? In the mid 90s, we had one of the best best basketball players of all-time at Wake. That didn't lead to any sustainable development, why would Artis Gilmore?

 

[TuffaloDeac10]

1 How lonely sits the city
That was full of people!
She has become like a widow
Who was once great among the nations!
She who was a princess among the provinces
Has become a forced laborer!
2 She weeps bitterly in the night
And her tears are on her cheeks;
She has none to comfort her
Among all her lovers.
All her friends have dealt treacherously with her;
They have become her enemies.
3 Judah has gone into exile under affliction
And under harsh servitude;
She dwells among the nations,
But she has found no rest;
All her pursuers have overtaken her
In the midst of distress.
4 The roads of Zion are in mourning
Because no one comes to the appointed feasts.
All her gates are desolate;
Her priests are groaning,
Her virgins are afflicted,
And she herself is bitter.
5 Her adversaries have become her masters,
Her enemies prosper;
For the LORD has caused her grief
Because of the multitude of her transgressions;
Her little ones have gone away
As captives before the adversary.
6 All her majesty
Has departed from the daughter of Zion;
Her princes have become like deer
That have found no pasture;
And they have fled without strength
Before the pursuer.
7 In the days of her affliction and homelessness
Jerusalem remembers all her precious things
That were from the days of old,
When her people fell into the hand of the adversary
And no one helped her.
The adversaries saw her,
They mocked at her ruin.
8 Jerusalem sinned greatly,
Therefore she has become an unclean thing.
All who honored her despise her
Because they have seen her nakedness;
Even she herself groans and turns away.
9 Her uncleanness was in her skirts;
She did not consider her future.
Therefore she has fallen astonishingly;
She has no comforter.
“See, O LORD, my affliction,
For the enemy has magnified himself!”
10 The adversary has stretched out his hand
Over all her precious things,
For she has seen the nations enter her sanctuary,
The ones whom You commanded
That they should not enter into Your congregation.
11 All her people groan seeking bread;
They have given their precious things for food
To restore their lives themselves.
“See, O LORD, and look,
For I am despised.”
12 “Is it nothing to all you who pass this way?
Look and see if there is any pain like my pain
Which was severely dealt out to me,
Which the LORD inflicted on the day of His fierce anger.
13 “From on high He sent fire into my bones,
And it prevailed over them.
He has spread a net for my feet;
He has turned me back;
He has made me desolate,
Faint all day long.
14 “The yoke of my transgressions is bound;
By His hand they are knit together.
They have come upon my neck;
He has made my strength fail.
The Lord has given me into the hands
Of those against whom I am not able to stand.
15 “The Lord has rejected all my strong men
In my midst;
He has called an appointed time against me
To crush my young men;
The Lord has trodden as in a wine press
The virgin daughter of Judah.
16 “For these things I weep;
My eyes run down with water;
Because far from me is a comforter,
One who restores my soul.
My children are desolate
Because the enemy has prevailed.”
17 Zion stretches out her hands;
There is no one to comfort her;
The LORD has commanded concerning Jacob
That the ones round about him should be his adversaries;
Jerusalem has become an unclean thing among them.
18 “The LORD is righteous;
For I have rebelled against His command;
Hear now, all peoples,
And behold my pain;
My virgins and my young men
Have gone into captivity.
19 “I called to my lovers, but they deceived me;
My priests and my elders perished in the city
While they sought food to restore their strength themselves.
20 “See, O LORD, for I am in distress;
My spirit is greatly troubled;
My heart is overturned within me,
For I have been very rebellious.
In the street the sword slays;
In the house it is like death.
21 “They have heard that I groan;
There is no one to comfort me;
All my enemies have heard of my calamity;
They are glad that You have done it.
Oh, that You would bring the day which You have proclaimed,
That they may become like me.
22 “Let all their wickedness come before You;
And deal with them as You have dealt with me
For all my transgressions;
For my groans are many and my heart is faint.”

 

[ProbationDeac]

And throw in that we had high hopes for that class anyway by getting an early commit from Jamie Skeen. Even without getting OCC, people thought this was going to be a great class. We lost so many players besides OCC in that class. I remember going through the RSCI for that class and counting at least 10 players we were supposedly in the running for and didn't get.

I remember thinking that we were really going to capitalized on having CP3 by following up with an awesome class and then...nothing. It was a realization that while Skip was going to go after the big names, when we didn't get them, it put us in a position of having to scramble to find other guys that ultimately never materialized.

Side note, Thad Matta was coaching Butler in our 2001 tournament game. He's really just been a thorn in Wake's side from the start.

 

[DCDeac]

Not to mention the "cordial" reception I'm sure all three received from the Ohio State Dance Team

 

[Atlanta Deacon]

Side note, Thad Matta was coaching Butler in our 2001 tournament game. He's really just been a thorn in Wake's side from the start.

Thorn is quite an understatement. He's been a shotgun blast to Wake.