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Big Ten makes offer to UNC and UVA rumor

Also what are the pros for Maryland besides money? I mean getting shit on by Ohio State, Michigan, and your "rival" Penn State is great but it's all about the money. You sacrificed every single rival you had for the cash cow.
 
And if they have to the exit fee, it will take most of the next decade to make up the cost.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Also what are the pros for Maryland besides money? I mean getting shit on by Ohio State, Michigan, and your "rival" Penn State is great but it's all about the money. You sacrificed every single rival you had for the cash cow.
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Not to rehash this, but....what rivals? We no longer had home-and-homes starting 2013-2014 with Duke and UVA. And lost our UVA 'rivalry' in football as well.

And Edsall is slowly growing on me. Our recruiting class a month ago would've been ranked fourth-sixth in the Big Ten. Its not like we haven't been getting shit on in the ACC three of the past four years. And we'll be fine in basketball.

This is dumb. You guys think what you want.
 
Maryland traded being middle of the road in revenue sports in the ACC for being middle of the road in revenue sports in the Big 10/12/14 and a bunch of cash. Period.
 
They won't be middle of the road in football in the Big We Can't Count. If they get to a bowl game once a decade, they will be lucky.

In basketball, they might reach 5-8, maybe.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Also what are the pros for Maryland besides money? I mean getting shit on by Ohio State, Michigan, and your "rival" Penn State is great but it's all about the money. You sacrificed every single rival you had for the cash cow.
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Not to revisit the obvious, but we traded up with Louisville. Maryland's administration is happy. Their fans..probably a mixed bag (was at Cameron for the Miami game and laughed with my friend about Md. giving up that atmosphere). And the ACC was strengthened. Most parties are better off... so fuck 'em.
 
Maybe I'm not as up on the college athletics landscape, but the ACC seems to be one of the stronger conferences out there (sure, our bowl performance in FB has suffered), but aren't we (along with PAC and SEC) in the drivers seat?
 
Maryland traded being a decent ACC team for being the Big ten doormat. They will destroyed every week in football, and basketball will fare not that much better.
 
RJKarl said:
They won't be middle of the road in football in the Big We Can't Count. If they get to a bowl game once a decade, they will be lucky.

In basketball, they might reach 5-8, maybe.
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Those are two bets I'd take. And since when are there only 13 games in a conference basketball schedule?
 
That's your projected finish, not your projected record.

Think MD will be top 4 in hoops?
 
Only if Maryland wins their lawsuit will any of the rumors start coming out again. Then you could have the UNC-Ch/Duke package to the SEC. FSU/Clemson package to the Big 12. GT/UVa package to the Big 10. Or whatever else there is out there. Until then, all else is on hold.
 
Shorty said:
Regardless of what happens to the ACC, Clemson and FSU are not getting an invite to the SEC. USC and UFL will see to that.
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UGA, USC, UK, and UF are not allowing GT, Clemson, Louisville, and FSU/MIA into the SEC. The SEC schools will operate as a voting block to prevent any acquisition of an in-state rival in any of those state. Which is why adding Louisville was so smart for the ACC. With LOU in the fold (and, importantly, not in the Big 12 fold), the ACC is a much, much better option for all of the ACC southern schools than the Big 12 (which makes no geographic sense for any of them, the money isn't much better, and not to mention the UT-dominance, Longhorn Network issue that will eventually kill that conference). And the Big 10, regardless of the silly rumors you hear, doesn't want to stretch into the deep south for expansion. They'll go after the KS and OK markets next, mark my words. They want a continuous geographic block, and can likely get it.

The key to the ACC is the stability of the core NC and VA schools -- UNC, NCSU, UVA, and VT. Those four are gateways into the NC and VA markets, which the SEC (and perhaps the Big 10), would be interested in. But, thankfully, those particular schools don't want anything other than a strong ACC, because they have the most influence in this conference. You don't leave first chair in a viable symphony to become sixth chair in a slightly richer orchestra. They'd be the last schools to quit on the ACC, because it's a super-conference they can dictate to. Further, politics plays a role, as neither NCSU nor VT can simply jump ship on their own. The state houses aren't going to allow those two schools to threaten the stability of their flagship schools, namely UNC and UVA (especially not VT, who had to get UVA to beg/threaten them into the ACC in the first place).

In other words, the only defections that could realistically kill the conference are the schools that would never defect. Because, after all, it's their damn conference. And if the UNC-VA core holds firm, the southern five will follow suit, for the reasons above. Duke and Wake aren't going anywhere, obviously. That's 11 of 15 that -- barring some kind of baffling panic -- will hold together. In the north, defections are possible among Syracuse, Pitt, and BC, but only to the Big 10, and I can't see that conference wanting any of them except possibly Pitt. They aren't going to the Big 12, for the same reasons the southern schools wouldn't, and they aren't targets for the SEC (for the same reason the southern schools aren't good fits for the Big 10 -- geography does matter, just look at the problems WVU is having right now). But, regardless, there are plug-in replacements waiting in the wings in UCONN and Cincinnati anyway.

ND is obviously a different story. But if they ever fully commit to a conference, the ACC is still the best bet because of their affinity to the eastern seaboard. But losing ND won't kill the ACC either. That's more of a pot-of-gold bonus than anything, though they do help the conference in the short term.
 
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Deacfreak07 said:
You've also tried to argue that MD didn't move for the money. At the end of the day, doesn't matter, got paid.
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MD moved because their AD couldn't pay the bills they'd run up in the last ten years, and, without more money right away, they were in serious jeopardy of insolvency. This was a unique monetary situation for an ACC school. They basically had to sell to stay afloat.
 
JDawg said:
Those are two bets I'd take. And since when are there only 13 games in a conference basketball schedule?
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5-8 place in bball is their top end.

They have been middle of the pack or below in the ACC in football. They have won ONE ACC football championship in the past twenty-five years.

There's no way they will be competitive in football. They have no recruiting base and no history.
 
TheReff said:
Only if Maryland wins their lawsuit will any of the rumors start coming out again. Then you could have the UNC-Ch/Duke package to the SEC. FSU/Clemson package to the Big 12. GT/UVa package to the Big 10. Or whatever else there is out there. Until then, all else is on hold.
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Right answer.
 
84Deac said:
Right answer.
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The buyout litigation isn't freezing team movement. Best interests are. As the board lies, UNC, Duke, FSU, Clemson, GT, and UVA all have the best deal they're going to get, all factors considered, in the ACC. That wasn't true for MD, who needed quick cash to wallpaper past fiscal mistakes, and never really felt the love in the ACC anyway. The irony is, MD's defection, and the subsequent addition of Louisville, is going to be the transaction that guarantees the long-term viability of the ACC.
 
ArlingtonDeac said:
MD moved because their AD couldn't pay the bills they'd run up in the last ten years, and, without more money right away, they were in serious jeopardy of insolvency. This was a unique monetary situation for an ACC school. They basically had to sell to stay afloat.
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If that's the case, would having to pay the ACC buyout negate the additional revenue they are expecting to receive from the move? Does anyone here have the actual numbers?
 
thedeacfan said:
If that's the case, would having to pay the ACC buyout negate the additional revenue they are expecting to receive from the move? Does anyone here have the actual numbers?
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It's murky. The buyout litigation is huge deal to MD, specifically, because they are in the red. They overbuilt on infrastructure and then the expected returns never materialized. But, ultimately, they thought the risk was worth it, and that the numbers made sense. In any case, they'll borrow to pay the buyout.
 
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